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Re: [OM] Does software choice matter in producing image "quality" ?

Subject: Re: [OM] Does software choice matter in producing image "quality" ?
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 17:40:08 -0500
I meant to add that, fortunately, there are no 64-bit images.  They'd be 
too large to work on and wouldn't add anything to the accuracy of a 
smaller bit count.  AFAIK, there are no 32-bit integer images but there 
are 32-bit floating point images used for special cases of editing HDR 
images in PhotoShop.  The 32-bit floating point representation is only a 
an internal representation and, AFAIK, can't be used outside of HDR 
processing.  They may well be used in other HDR processing engines and 
possibly in other specialized image processing apps.

JPEG images (with the exception of the JPEG 2000 standard which almost 
no one has ever heard of) are 8-bit.  But they are also compressed with 
a "lossy" compression algorithm.  "Lossy" means loss of image quality if 
carried far enough.  Control it by setting the quality level in the 
camera or editor.

Chuck Norcutt


On 12/12/2013 4:51 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> The bit depth of your computer is independent of the bit depth of your
> images.  If you're running Windows 95 (1995) or later you're running a
> 32-bit operating system.  The bit depth of the processor controls the
> maximum amount of memory that can be directly addressed.  The maximum
> value of a 32 bit binary number is 2 raised to the 32nd power or, in
> decimal, 4,294,967,296 or 4 gigabytes.  A 16-bit computer is limited to
> directly addressing 2 raised to the 16th power or, in decimal, 65,536 or
> 64 KB.  Early DOS computers were 16 bit computers but the Intel
> processors they ran on could support up to 1 MB of RAM by dividing the
> memory into 64 KB segments which could be operated on one segment at a
> time.  64-bit computer can theoretically address enormous amounts of
> memory but the computer is throttled there by implementation restrictions.
>
> When we speak of image bit depth we're not talking about the size of the
> image but rather the number of bits in a pixel for a gray image or the
> number of bits in each of the RGB components of a color pixel.  The
> number of bits controls the maximum number of different brightness
> values the pixel can have.  An 8-bit color pixel actually has 3x8 = 24
> bits and a 16-bit color pixel actually has 3x16 = 48 bits per pixel.
> But you need to use care when reading these descriptions since 8 and 24
> or 16 and 48 are often used interchangeably to describe the same thing.
>    Since 8 bits can contain decimal values ranging from 0-255 an 8/24 bit
> image can only have 256 different brightness values for each of its gray
> or color components.  A 16/48 bit image can have up to 65,536 brightness
> values for each gray or color component.
>
> It's important to note that pure black is the total absence of light and
> pure black is represented by 0 whether it's an 8 or 16-bit image.  Pure
> white, on the other hand, is represented by the maximum value of the
> pixel so it 255 in an 8-bit image and 65,536 in a 16-bit image.  When
> 8-bit images are converted to 16-bit the 8-bit values are multiplied by
> 256.  Thus a 1 in 8-bit becomes 256 in 16-bit.  Note that there are is
> no difference between the maximum or minimum brightness levels that can
> be realized in each.  But the vast empty range between 1 and 256
> represents a huge range of subtle brightness differences that can be
> represented in 16-bit pixels but not in 8-bit pixels.
>
> The difference in representation is critical when editing an image's
> brightness, contrast, color, saturation, etc, etc.  The only data held
> by a pixel is brightness of a gray or RGB level.  All changes of
> contrast, saturation, sharpening, etc, work on changing the only data
> available which is the brightness level of the pixels.
>
> Now consider how brightness is changed... by multiplication or division.
>    If a pixel has brightness 32 and we want to raise its brightness by
> one stop we multiply by 2 and get 64.  If we want to darken 32 by one
> stop we divide by 2 and get 16.  All well and good so far.  But what if
> we want to raise the brightness of the pixel with value 32 by 1.3?
> 1.3x32 = 41.6.  But in integer arithmetic (that's what 8-bit binary is)
> there is no such thing as 41.6.  We either have to truncate to 41 or
> round to 42.  On the other hand, if we were working on 16-bit pixels the
> equivalent of 32 in 8 bits would be 32x256 = 8192.  Raising its
> brightness by 1.3 would be 8192x1.3 = 10,649.6.  Once again we're still
> working in integer arithmetic so the number has to be truncated to
> 10,649 or else rounded to 10,650.  If that's all we did when we
> converted back to 8 bits by dividing all by 256 we'd be right back to
> the same 41 or 42 that we got with 8-bits.  But the difference comes
> from repeated editing. The effect of truncation or rounding is less and
> those empty spaces in the 16-bit number range start to get filled in.
> When those values get converted to 8 bits the results will be different
> than had the editing been done only in 8-bits.  If you edit an 8-bit
> image long enough you may start to see posterization due to holes and
> spikes appearing in the brightness number range.  You see it in the
> histogram as spikey lines and empty spots.
>
> Now consider RAW images for a moment.  These images typically start life
> as either 12 or 14 bit images and get converted to 16 bits on the way to
> editing.  But these images don't start with a bunch of holes in their
> value ranges as does an 8-bit image converted to 16-bits.  The full
> range of brightness ranges is real and the image will survive much more
> severe editing changes without succumbing to posterization.  Compared to
> a JPEG image there is also much more leeway in recovering dark shadows
> and blown highlights... typically up to a stop on both ends.  For this
> advantage you only need to use the RAW converter in the first stage of
> editing.  Use the RAW converter to do all of your brightness, contrast,
> color balance, saturation, etc. changes up front.  Then you can convert
> to 8-bit for cropping and other editing changes with little or no effect
> on color and brightness.  Resizing and sharpening still have some effect
> on pixel brightness but is minor compared to other edits.
>
> My last comment is that FastStone can call external editors.  If you
> open a RAW file in FastStone I'm sure you can pass it to the Oly RAW
> converter before doing further work in FastStone.  Or just do all of
> your work in the RAW editor first and then move to FastStone after
> conversion to JPEGs.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> On 12/12/2013 7:29 AM, Brian Swale wrote:
>> I have no practical knowledge of the differences between 64, 32, 16, and 
>> 8-bit images.
>>
>> I really don't know what my machine works in. I wouldn't know where to look 
>> to find out ...
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