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[OM] Re: US-only Auctions, was Tamron 35-105/2.8 $185

Subject: [OM] Re: US-only Auctions, was Tamron 35-105/2.8 $185
From: Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:50:02 +1000
If I request a Paypal payment in this way, fine but there is still a 
charge for 'accepting' the payment' of (as I remember) 30 cents plus 
2.9% or in my case 3.9% as I am an 'International Account' holder - 
that is, they have charged me an extra 1% for NOT confirming my address 
and NOT offering any transaction insurance. This may have changed now 
that they have added AUD to their list of approved currencies and local 
offices.
What burns is that this fee is supposed to cover credit card fees and 
the like but still applies if the money is simply transferred into my 
account from another Paypal member's account, an operation which costs 
them nothing. The English operation Moneybookers(?) makes no charge for 
such a transaction.
Ebay's response to grumbles about their fees has always been that you 
as the seller can build the fee into the price, an amusingly difficult 
concept in an auction and a quaint bit of doublespeak given that they 
are in the auction business and the price is not set. Traditional 
auction houses do it but buyers on the net are not expecting it and 
will object. They seem to have extended the principle to Paypal even 
though they have declared the charging of a Paypal premium to be 
'illegal' and will pull your listing if you try it and they spot it.
This is because they apply the California credit card laws to every 
transaction (although they seem to operate financially out of Florida) 
because it suits their purpose - and that law forbids a trader charging 
a customer a premium for a credit card transaction. This is bizarre of 
course when I buy or sell to someone in Europe and nothing but 
cybercash goes anywhere near the US. Good luck arguing that point with 
them - they suddenly cease to be an international operation when 
there's a profit to be made.
In fact, good luck arguing anything with them. Their entire global 
customer service operation seems to be based in the US rather than 
locally, possibly outsourced, staffed by people who answer with stock 
responses based on irrelevancies or inaccurate assumptions. It seems 
governed by a policy that you will never be answered by the same person 
twice and that each new respondent will not read the previous or 
original messages. Such fun.
AndrewF


On 05/04/2005, at 5:22 AM, Piers Hemy wrote:

>
> No, not quite!  There is no need for you (as seller) to suffer any FX 
> loss,
> Chris - simply specify that you require payment in GBP (assuming that 
> is
> what you want) whether by Paypal or any other mode.  If the buyer 
> chooses to
> use Paypal, then the buyer picks up the FX loss, and you get GBP.
>
> --
> Piers


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