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Re: [OM] 12-200

Subject: Re: [OM] 12-200
From: Wayne Shumaker <om3ti@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 05:54:55 -0700
Always enjoy reading moowisdom. 

The Sony A7's IBIS will work in combination with lens stabilization. There are 
a lot of good reasons to have lens stabilization at longer focal length. 
Interesting article:


I really like the "fleabane flower going to seed".


At 6/20/2019 11:18 PM, Moose wrote:

>On 6/20/2019 4:54 PM, Mike Gordon via olympus wrote:
>><<<Yup, 12-60 isn't a long as 12-100. And occasionally, but not too often, I 
>>miss that coverage. OTOH, it's optically as good, so don't give anything away 
>I guess I should have said that, with 20 MP, cropping is seldom a problem.
>>I am skeptical about the long end of the  12-200.
>As you should be. You aren't a travel zoom kind of guy. ;-)
>>It has weather sealing but I wonder if you can put it under a deluge like the 
>I'll have to say, I wished I'd had a weather sealed body to go with the lens 
>when we walked around Zion in the rain.
>>The sync IS with  12-100 is just remarkable!!
>Well the 12-60, in fact, all my Panny zooms, but the 7-14, have Panny's 
>version, Dual-IS. Even the 42.5/1.7 has it. I don't know of any comparison of 
>dual/sync OIS and IBIS systems. Not sure how one would go about making a good 
>comparison, with so many FLs and shutter speeds, and the variation in human 
>unsteadiness over the tests and between people.
>>Even at F4 the  lack of subject isolation ability of the 12-100 can be a pain 
>A point in favor of the faster 12-60 at the short end. It's a full stop faster 
>@ 12 mm, narrowing down to nothing @ about 40 mm.
>>   It is a tad sharper than the PL 12-60 at the long end as I recall.
>No argument here; it's almost infinitely better at 100 mm than the 12-60. :-DÂ 
> As to 60 vs 60 mm, I just don't recall. I probably have the comparisons, shot 
>in HR, but they are in practice, both excellent. In the field, with all the 
>other factors, I think it's a toss-up. I've certainly got some great C-U 
>photos, including those with achromat C-U lens and focus stacks. For the vast 
>majority of nature close-up/macros, the corners don't matter a whit.
>>Here is a Marnie shot from Bhutan with the 12-100:
>Hey! That's my lens! Excellent photo!
>>I had to use a Moose processing procedure to improve the bokeh.   Marnie 
>>wants the reach.
>Makes perfect sense I would, too, if I didn't also carry the PLeica 100-400. 
>She should be very happy, going from a 1745 g. monster camera/lens to an 1135 
>g. combo with twice the reach.
>>  Moose's point about the macro ability of the 12-60 is well taken and it is 
>> clearly massively better at this from samples I've seen
>Just for fun, here's a stack taken Sunday, 12-60, Nikon 5T C-U lens, of a 
>fleabane flower going to seed. <https://photos.app.goo.gl/6BcWVaFqxpGYc62o6>
>>  with the 12-20  and I know first hand with  the 12-100.  The 12-100 did not 
>> like my Pentax achromatic diopter but may like the new
>>Siggie one Moose found.  The PL is smaller and a better hiking lens but I 
>>don't think nearly as weather proof.
> Sure wasn't bothered by the rain in Zion.
>>  I think it has dual IS with Panny bodies.
>Indeed, as above.
>>They each have their place, but not sold on the 12-200.
>I'd be far more interested if it had OIS. I've had a lot of fun, and good 
>results, with GM5 and Panny 14-140. I just discovered I had another gallery of 
>photos from that combo. <https://photos.app.goo.gl/68UNhScFh8a2WHeG7>
>There are a couple of big crops of people shots. I notice now some artifacts 
>in one that should be reprocessed in the latest DxO, but there's otherwise 
>nothing to complain about.
>Where's the Panny 12-20, with OIS?
>Mixed Up Moose
>What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about?
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