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Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: The Fruit Sellers
From: Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:53:32 -0800
On 11/8/2012 10:55 AM, Tina Manley wrote:
> PESO:
>
> A different approach.  Instead of scanning with the Nikon LS5000, I used
> the Beseler Slide Duplicator and took a macro photo of the Kodachrome
> slide, using the DMR.
>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/147219253
>
> Opinions, please!

First, what is yours? When you view the slide on a daylight balanced light 
table or viewer, how does it compare to this 
scan on your monitor?

My guess is that it's a lot closer than the scans you've been getting, simply 
because this is the first one I've seen 
that looks 'right'

I've been wondering if the skin colors of the native peoples in Guatemala are 
really different, and the textures more 
blotchy, than those of central Mexico or Costa Rica. Since I've never seen or 
photographed these people of Guatemala, I 
didn't feel I could comment.

Now I look at this image and something says, "Yes, that looks right." 
Identical, no, but like variations, not a mongrel 
mix with some sort of ETs.

Robert suggests it may be over saturated. Hard to say, but it IS Guatemala, 
with their love of strong colors, and they 
ARE shot in Kodachrome. "You give us those nice bright colors "*

More to the point, they look like colors that could exist in real dyed cotton 
and real vegetables, and if they are 
slightly over saturated, that's all that's wrong with them.

As I keep saying, there's just something 'whack' in your scanning process. And 
it IS fixable. There are people who have 
and ARE making excellent scans of Kodachrome, some of them with Nikon scanners 
and Silverfast software.

It appears to me that you have made the classic mistake I have made so often in 
my life of rushing to proceed with the 
job before the prep work is finished.

Somewhere, I saw a program about a renaissance artist. His paint creation room 
was almost as big as his painting room, 
and had better light. It seemed he may have spent about as much time there, 
grinding and mixing, as he did painting.

Ever watch a real expert house painter, plasterer, wallpaper hanger? Prep is 
the basis of everything that happens right 
later.

I wish we lived closer to each other. I'd love to spend some time with your 
hardware and software. I know from personal 
experience that clean, properly exposed scans of Kodachrome can be easily made. 
I also think the color is good; 
certainly truer than what you've been showing up until now with a completely 
different process..

I also know from experience that scanning with a color profile from a shot of 
an IT8 target directly skips lots of 
otherwise necessary post processing on the way to a true color image with 
correct contrast, as well. I've posted it 
before, over and over, but, EVERY difference between these images is a result 
of using a color profile vs. none in the 
scanning process. There is NO post processing, no bits were bent, so sliders 
slid, other than downsampling, in any of 
the images.
<http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/tech/Scan/VuesProf/>
It rained today and I just went out and looked at our little lemon tree. The 
lemons look like the color profiled image. 
(Unfortunately, the leaves are going a bit yellow, time to feed again. The cost 
of keeping it in a pot, so it won't get 
too big.)

But that personal experience is with a Canon film scanner and VueScan. And my 
experience with scanning with a color 
profile doesn't include Kodachrome. So I know enough in general to know that 
you can get great scans, but not enough in 
particular to be able to say just how.

I have, BTW, used a slide duplicator and Canon 5D to copy late 30s - early 40s 
Kodachrome slides, and compared them to 
film scans of the same slides with the FS4000, using VS's built-in Kodachrome 
setting. The colors were very, very 
similar, MUCH more so than this copy of yours is to your scans.

True Color Moose

* Paul knew"

Kodachrome
You give us those nice bright colors
You give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, oh yeah!
I got a [Leica] camera
[And a Nikon scanner]
I love to take a photograph
So Mama, don't take my Kodachrome away

>
> Tina
>

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