agreed , lets close this
On Feb 2, 2005, at 11:15, James N. McBride wrote:
>
> I think everything you say here is true and your frustrations are
> shared by
> many of us. This list is just not the place to vent those frustrations
> nor
> is it fair to paint us all with the same brush. /jmac
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Robert McFetridge
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 6:42 AM
> To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [OM] Re: OT For the 4X4 Listees
>
>
>
> I apologize to those I offended. I did not mean to be unfair or
> insulting to anyone. I too have owned and driven 4x4's in many parts of
> the world when I needed one. You are correct that they are not only
> useful but can increase personal safety in many conditions. However
> the sensitivity that many SUV owners express is well earned. Here in NA
> the vast majority are owned by people who rarely drive out of their
> comfortable suburban habitat except for fun. The increased use of them
> in this context has added a measureable (10%) increase in the use of
> fuel in automobiles. They have also been shown to be less safe in these
> conditions because new/ less experienced drivers treat them like they
> would a car when they are purpose vehicles. Anyone who has used/uses
> them properly, appreciates their increased roll risk, greater distance
> to stop etc inherent in driving one. I currently live about 35km
> outside of my community and in the winter (we get heavy snows and it
> easily gets to -30C) one of the greatest hazards I encounter is not
> poor conditions but rather busy suburbanites racing to and from town in
> their SUV's (including all wheel vehicles) forgetting that these
> machines may feel a lot more stable in the snow at speed but that they
> take just as long to stop. Popular advertizing for them promotes their
> reckless and inappropriate use on and off road and a wealthy population
> buys into the myth at a cost to all of us, particularly those who have
> a legitimate need for them. Its most unfortunate that the rapid
> increase in the 'misuse ' of a very useful type of vehicle has sparked
> such a huge negative response to a very useful tool. Perhaps I should
> have noted that the use of 4x4 instead of SUV indicated that the owner
> actually lived where he/she needed it. I owned and used my first , a
> Ford 250, over 30 years ago in the coast mountains. It made a huge
> difference to the well-being and safety of all of us. I only drive a
> small car now as thats all I need and mileage is better by a factor of
> 5. On paved roads safety is the same, unless I get plowed by one of
> them.
> Bob
> On Feb 2, 2005, at 2:20, James N. McBride wrote:
>
>>
>> I took it as a nasty dig at anybody who had the audacity to use
>> four-wheel-drive to go someplace regardless of the circumstances.
>> There have
>> been many of those comments. Just because some of us live in the
>> mountains
>> does not mean we should be deprived of useful transportation. We all
>> have
>> different needs but some do not seem to recognize that. /jmac
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx]On
>> Behalf Of Chris Barker
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:43 PM
>> To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [OM] Re: OT For the 4X4 Listees
>>
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>> I took it as a light-hearted comment (using skis instead of a motor
>> vehicle). And Robert did not suggest closing roads. I suppose he
>> was
>> merely questioning the automatic reliance on a machine when there are
>> other more eco-friendly methods of transport available for short
>> distances.
>>
>> Global warming has come to the UK and we don't get snow where I live
>> (:-(), but if there were as much as that I might have kept my rather
>> expensive ML270 diesel 4 x 4. As it is, I have been able to dump it
>> for a much more reliable little BMW 320d, saving myself money for
>> diesel and the world its fossil fuels ...
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 1 Feb 2005, at 21:58, James N. McBride wrote:
>>
>>> If we abandoned all roads every time there was a little snow, life
>>> would
>>> come to a screeching halt. To not use "your" road because it might
>>> disturb
>>> the snow is nonsense. It was a totally lame comment especially since
>>> the
>>> responder had no knowledge of the situation. Perhaps he can ski or
>>> snowshoe
>>> without making a mark but I doubt it. He can also perhaps walk on
>>> water.
>>> Some roads should be left undisturbed in wet or snowy weather. The
>>> decision
>>> should be based on meaningful criteria by knowledgeable people
>>> though.
>>> /jmac
>>>
>>
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