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Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Climate Change
From: Philippe <photo.philippe.amard@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:43:43 +0200
Cc: christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
The US is not the world, nor its center Chris. I’m sorry to say. Look at the 
stats and check on the population counts ;-)

Amities

Philippe



> Le 11 oct. 2018 à 22:38, Chris Trask <christrask@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
> 
>> 
>>> Here on the east side of the Atlantic, I was not aware of the idea that
>>> America was regarded as mainly responsible although we are aware that you
>>> seem to have a larger lobby of climate change deniers than most,  not least
>>> your President. It is however commonly noted that in the USA peoples' views
>>> on such matters (or abortion or environmental matters) appear to be much
>>> more closely linked to political allegiance than elsewhere.
>> 
>> Tribalism is getting more intense over here. There is not such thing
>> as a conversation with anybody that sees things even SLIGHTLY
>> differently than you. It will quickly devolve into a "if you voted for
>> Trump/Hillary I'm going to unfriend you" type of scenario. In fact,
>> there are people on this very list who have said that very thing and I
>> just shake my head and say to myself "you are such an idiot."
>> 
> 
>     I've actually had to put a couple of people from this list into my spam 
> blocker just to keep the noise down and the enjoyment up.
> 
>> 
>> Many years ago, I was a supporter/member of the Sierra Club. I was an
>> innocent person who actually thought that this organization actually
>> wanted to be effective at real issues and concerns. Turns out that
>> their only purpose for being (at that time) was to defeat George H.W.
>> Bush. Instead of environmental issues, they became a purely political
>> organization with absolutely no redeeming value. This came to a head
>> when there was a "call to arms" moment on a specific environmental
>> issue that was very specific to their charter and they declined to
>> have anything to do with it because all of their money and effort was
>> being devoted to politics instead. We were literally told to "stand
>> down" on what we were doing because they didn't want that
>> environmental cleanup effort to be completed before the election.
>> 
> 
>     I was more than just a supporter/ member.  I was a member of the group 
> and then chapter Excoms, as well as the group and laer chapter outings 
> leader.  What I saw when I got to the chapter level made me wonder if being a 
> member, let alone being actively involved, was a good use of my time and 
> money.  When I was appointed to a governor's advisory council, all hell broke 
> loose and I was forced out.
> 
>     The bottom line here is that any active involvement in environmental 
> issues in this chapter is a death wish.  This chapter does not participate in 
> any public meetings, while at the same time the "opposition" does.  Serious 
> issues go unaddressed.  It mostly comes down to one person, whose name I will 
> not mention except to say that she was the national treasurer when the 
> Seminole (ie - Florida) chapter was suspended for three years for contronting 
> Clorox for discharging untreated waste into the Everglades.  The Sierra Club 
> national office got a healthy $100,000 "donation" from Clorox.
> 
> Chris
> 
> When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro 
>     - Hunter S. Thompson
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