Ken, this is neither here nor there I’m afraid.
There was a cartoon on one of the links today I think - your approach to
humanity looks close to what I construed from it.
OTT : Speedo and Burlington are unknown to 90% of the human species, to say the
least. In short, business and bucks will be no help when it’s too late. What
the good of being the richest in the churchyard?
More importantly and I quote: "By setting themselves up as the only intelligent
individuals
> in the room, they do little to actually have a conversation and try to
> influence a change of minds. »
I am no better than any other. I may yet be more aware of - or sensitive to -
the issues than some.
My tip: learn a extra language or two, or more. Read the news from overseas, or
watch reports from there. And think about it again :-)
Amities
Self-centered Philippe
> Le 11 oct. 2018 à 21:38, Ken Norton <ken@xxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>
>> Here on the east side of the Atlantic, I was not aware of the idea that
>> America was regarded as mainly responsible although we are aware that you
>> seem to have a larger lobby of climate change deniers than most, not least
>> your President. It is however commonly noted that in the USA peoples' views
>> on such matters (or abortion or environmental matters) appear to be much
>> more closely linked to political allegiance than elsewhere.
>
> Tribalism is getting more intense over here. There is not such thing
> as a conversation with anybody that sees things even SLIGHTLY
> differently than you. It will quickly devolve into a "if you voted for
> Trump/Hillary I'm going to unfriend you" type of scenario. In fact,
> there are people on this very list who have said that very thing and I
> just shake my head and say to myself "you are such an idiot."
>
> The problem with discussions about climate change, specifically, is
> that the proponents of "human caused climate change" are wielding it
> like an axe and present themselves as the keepers of all knowledge and
> reason. By setting themselves up as the only intelligent individuals
> in the room, they do little to actually have a conversation and try to
> influence a change of minds. Instead, the attitude is "if you don't
> 100% agree with me or my solutions, you must die."
>
> That's no way to have a conversation.
>
> By telling the other side that they are morons and have no voice in
> the solution, it causes the other side to bunker down and reject
> everything the self-appointed keepers-of-all-wisdom have to say.
>
> Many years ago, I was a supporter/member of the Sierra Club. I was an
> innocent person who actually thought that this organization actually
> wanted to be effective at real issues and concerns. Turns out that
> their only purpose for being (at that time) was to defeat George H.W.
> Bush. Instead of environmental issues, they became a purely political
> organization with absolutely no redeeming value. This came to a head
> when there was a "call to arms" moment on a specific environmental
> issue that was very specific to their charter and they declined to
> have anything to do with it because all of their money and effort was
> being devoted to politics instead. We were literally told to "stand
> down" on what we were doing because they didn't want that
> environmental cleanup effort to be completed before the election.
>
> BTW, some of us can remember when "Acid Rain" was all the
> environmental hype. I guess that doesn't matter anymore...
>
>
>> With regard to climate change itself, I think most people would agree that
>> major climate changes have occurred in the last 4+billion years, but we
>> have to remember that man has not been around for most of that time
>> (according to generally accepted modern science), and while some people
>> might survive another ice-age an unmoderated rise in temperatures would
>> appear likely to be disastrous for many and those living near current sea
>> levels (including major capitals like London and New York) amongst the
>> first to suffer.
>
> This would assume two things:
> 1. The human race is NOT adaptive to change.
> 2. The human race is unable to physically move.
>
> An ice age will just mean that "Burlington Coat Factory" will sell
> more coats. Global warming will mean that "Speedo" will sell more
> swimsuits.
>
> Rising waters just means that coastal cities will just migrate up the
> hill over time. All you have to do is look at pictures and maps of
> cities from 50 years ago and you can see just how much they've changed
> in that period. Cities and people are NOT STATIC.
>
> Honestly, if we're REALLY serious about climate change and energy
> waste, we should totally ban Bitcoin and jail or kill everybody
> involved in Bitcoin Mining.
>
> AG Schnozz
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