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Re: [OM] IMG: A Few from the Beech Party

Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Few from the Beech Party
From: ChrisB <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 06:51:44 +0100
“Not many of the ex-military pilots had instrument ratings. . .”? That seems 
wrong.  It would be unnecessarily restrictive on any military force for its 
pilots to be unable to fly in bad weather.

Chris

> On 16 Oct 15, at 21:09, Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I did a little more searching, and found this article, which has some 
> interesting numbers and a few more details on structural problems.  I can 
> recall when the tail chord was increased, and the front of the stabilizer was 
> anchored more securely.
> 
> http://airfactsjournal.com/2012/06/tail-tale-what-was-wrong-with-v-tail-bonanza-pilots/
> 
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> 
> On 10/16/2015 2:54 PM, Bill Pearce wrote:
>> While ego was a large part of the problem, there were structural problems, 
>> when an egotistical pilot flew into weather he shouldn't. I believe, but 
>> memory is unclear, that the tailcone came loose due to torsion. Beech 
>> applied structural fixes in the late years of the V.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Nichols
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:26 AM
>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: A Few from the Beech Party
>> 
>> Bill,
>> 
>> Thanks for your comments.  I agree that the Bonanza was a slippery
>> airplane when cleaned up, but no more so than the Mooney, Comanche, or
>> the Cessna 210, for that matter.  I knew pilots who were killed in a
>> Mooney, and in a Twin Comanche.  And even Scott Crossfield, with all of
>> his experience, was killed in a Cessna 210.  My only RG experience was
>> with the Comanche 250.  I have ridden in a Bonanza, but never flew one.
>> But, even the Bonanza had a safety outlet.  If one found himself in a
>> situation where caution was required, the gear could be lowered, and
>> then it was rock solid.
>> 
>> The problem, in my humble opinion, was a matter of ego, not airplane.
>> For low-time pilots with deep pockets, the Bonanza was a nice, shiny toy
>> that they just couldn't resist.
>> 
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> 
>> On 10/15/2015 11:45 PM, Bill Pearce wrote:
>>> Jim,
>>> 
>>> Glad you enjoyed yourself, I would like to have been there. It does, though 
>>> make me sad that the museum and event isn't in Wichita, where most of these 
>>> things were born.
>>> 
>>> The V tail Bonanza was a handful to fly unless you were an experienced 
>>> pilot. It was once said here that, "If it weren't for the Beech Bonanza, we 
>>> would be up to our a** in doctors and lawyers." That's because more than a 
>>> few were lost because the Bonanza was a handful for a low time pilot with a 
>>> big ego and wallet to match. With the conventional tail, most of the 
>>> problems were solved.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Nichols
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 5:18 PM
>>> To: LUG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Olympus Camera Discussion
>>> Subject: [OM] IMG: A Few from the Beech Party
>>> 
>>> Each year at about this time the Beech airplane enthusiasts throw a
>>> Beech Party in Tullahoma, where they enjoy each others company and all
>>> things Beech.  The airplanes have been arriving for several days.
>>> Today, I snapped a few examples of the airplanes that brought it all about.
>>> 
>>> The pride and joy of the Beech enthusiasts is the BE-17 Staggerwing,
>>> built in the 1930s and 1940s.  This photo was too far away to show the
>>> details of craftsmanship, but it was the best I could do today.
>>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Red+Staggerwing.tif.html
>>> 
>>> The follow-on to the Staggerwing was the Twin Beech, built for the Army
>>> and Navy in a number of configurations during WWII, and produced for the
>>> civilian market in the 40s and 50s.  The Pratt & Whitney R-985 450 hp
>>> radial powered most of the Staggerwings and the Twin Beech, though some
>>> were converted to turboprops later.
>>> This one was caught on a low pass down the runway.
>>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Twin+Beech+in+Flight.TIFF.html 
>>> 
>>> After WWII, Beech developed the Bonanza for the civilian market. The
>>> original had the butterfly tail shown here, while the later models
>>> featured a conventional tail.
>>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Red+Bonanza.TIFF.html
>>> 
>>> And when pilots get together, frequently they want to do things that are
>>> not a part of their daily routine, such as formation flying and low
>>> passes down the runway.  This formation contained the military trainer
>>> version of the Bonanza, the T-34, along with a Bonanza.
>>> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/T-34+and+Bonanza.tif.html
>>> 
>>> All shot from a distance with the E-1 and Takumar 135/3.5.
>>> 
>>> Comments and critiques welcomed.
>>> 
>> 
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