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Subject: Re: [OM] [ OT] Question for our pilots
From: Chris Barker <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:06:20 +0100
Brian

The Mail strikes again!  I don't think that it mentions a bunt in that article, 
or at least the diagram show some wacky manoeuvre which is not possible in any 
aircraft, let along a fast, heavy machine.  From 250ft the thing would have hit 
the ground before getting halfway around the strange manoeuvre ascribed to this 
pilot and his machine.  There are too many gliders about, in my opinion: their 
crowding the skies is a serious hazard.  A couple of years ago I had to curtail 
a formation sortie because I was losing confidence that I could see the horrid 
things in time to manoeuvre my formation -- I had a solo student on my wing.

I haven't read the report, but I suspect that the pilot saw the glider and 
pushed rather than pulled, so the "bunt".  Once, a long time ago, I nearly hit 
another Jaguar (I was flying one) in Germany; he appeared in my 2 o'clock and I 
pulled like a good 'un to get out of is way.  But as I did so I worried that 
his tail fin was moving swiftly towards my nether regions and wondered if I 
should have pushed :-)  I was fine, but I overstressed the aircraft, having 
pulled 7.5g in my panic and the engineers had to do some overstress checks.  My 
lookout improved after that . . .

Thanks for your enquiry about the little Grobs.  Some are flying, but the new 
prop is quite demanding of the CSU and the oil system in general, so many are 
going u/s with severe slowdowns or propstops in the vertical.  I've been 
airborne 4 times in the last 10 days, but it's an uphill struggle with so few 
ac and so many pilots trying to regain their currency and instrument ratings, 
let alone instructional competence.  

Chris

On 28 Jul 2013, at 13:28, Brian Gray <bsg017@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>   [1]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2378728/RAF-Tornado-misses-g
>   lider-quarter-second-thanks-lightning-reflexes-fighter-pilot.html
>   Reports of this incident appeared in several newspapers including that
>   with the above link.  I find it incredible that a plane of that size,
>   flying at that speed, can 'bunt' at 250 ft.  What does Chris Bartker
>   say as he may even know the area.  As an aside, are his Grobs airborne
>   again yet?
>   Brian Gray

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