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From: "Brian Swale" <bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 01:19:30 +1200
Chuck wrote
> Message: 18

> Rather that try to work through all of this again I decided to do a 
> Google search for criticisms of Esselstyn's work.  My first hit was even
> more than that, a criticism of a movie called ?Forks Over Knives? which
> features not only Esselstyn's work but also several other vegan promoters.
> <http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a
> -review-and -critique/>
> 
> I haven't read the entire thing (it's huge and takes a long time to 
> load) but it's pretty clear from the critique that, at least what's 
> presented in the movie, is pretty *selective* science... you just ignore
> the inconvenient bits that disagree with your hypothesis.  I'd had enough
> after about 10 pages and there are very many more than that.
> 
> Chuck Norcutt

I'm sorry,  if my last post (below) which I spent more than an hour over to 
summarise in the concise form the science and how people got there isn't 
good enough, then so be it. I'm not perfect - but I'm not doing it again.

It's easy to find nay-sayers on the internet; one of the worst I found is a so-
called Dr. Malcolm Kendrick.

I'm convinced the science is sound, and I do not believe that Prendergast 
and Esselstyn are liars.

To summarise the science as simply as I can, it is this:

It is proven that if you have an adequate supply of L-argenine, and 
preferably also L-citrulline, in your diet, you will never get the usual kinds 
of 
heart attack, angina, or cerebral stroke. These two amino acids will prevent 
athersclerosis from developing. If you are found to already have 
athersclerosis, there is a good chance they can remove it.

"Adequate" depends on whether or not you follow a vegan diet. If you do, 
you should get the above benefits without supplementary supply. 
Alternatively, if you eat a "normal" western civilisation diet the chances are 
(25 : 75 ) that you will benefit from supplementary supply to avoid those 
conditions. 
Finally, because L-argenine and L-citrulline cause the creation in arteries of 
nitric oxide gas which defends against atherosclerosis, for the people whose 
health is so protected, heart by-pass operations, stents, statins, 
measurement of cholesterol etc etc become redundant and un-necessary 
operations. For about 25% of the population this means avoidance of 
premature death and/or severe incapacity.

Having discovered Prendergast, I have given up the vegan diet and take 
one or more capsules of L-argenine per day. It worked for him and his 5,000 
diabetic patients over a 16 year period, so it should work for me.

> 
> On 4/27/2013 2:20 PM, Brian Swale wrote:
> > With replies from Charlie and Chuck, maybe this ought to be my last
> > posting on this topic for a while.
> >
> > At the outset, I do not believe that, as Nathan put it, what Drs
> > Prendergast and Esselstyn are disseminating, is snake oil.
> >
> > Far from it. This is all serious, science and evidence-based,
> > information which can be used simply by anybody to prevent / minimise
> > premature death from athersclerosis and considerable human suffering
> > where athersclerosis has maimed but not yet killed outright.
> >
> > The messages from Drs Esselstyn and Prendergast contain very similar
> > material, but each arrived at where they are by different routes.
> >
> > I believe that each of these men is energised by the ulterior motive of
> > alleviating and avoiding where possible, human suffering through
> > athersclerosis in its various forms, and have chosen two vehicles to
> > make the basis of their findings available to us all.
> >
> > Charlie confirmed what I thought all along, having read Esselstyn's book
> > and attentively listened to and watch Prendergast's short videos.
> >
> > This is that myocardial infarction (hope I have the spelling correct),
> > often the phase of heart disease before death ensues, is caused by the
> > rupture of a lump of plaque on the inside of an artery. The causes the
> > body to create a blood CLOTt on the spot in an effort to self-heal.
> > While this technique works fine on ruptured skin, inside an artery it
> > often is fatal because the clot is likely to break off under hydraulic
> > pressure, and shift to a spot where it
> totally
> > blocks blood flow to vital organs such as heart muscle and the brain.
> >
> > That L-argenine creates nitric oxide gas in artery walls is established
> > without question, and if it is supplied in sufficient quantity, through
> > the supply of N O it enables the body to PREVENT the development of
> > plaques (atherosclerosis), and where athersclerosis is already present,
> > enables the body to SAFELY REMOVE  it.
> >
> > It seems to me that much of the monitoring of blood make-up is rendered
> > irrelevant as soon as L-argenine and nitric oxide step in and control
> > athersclerosis. Correct me if my understanding is wrong, but it seems to
> > me that if there is no athersclerosis, in most cases there can be no
> > heart disease through blocked arteries, and no strokes through blocked
> > arteries.
> >
> > I believe it is that simple.
> >
> > How did these two doctors arrive at the place of information
> > dissemination that each now is at?
> >
> > Prendergast first, because in some ways his story is more powerful.
> >
> > He is an MD who is a practicing endocrinologist who also advises/ cares
> > for
> >   hundreds of diabetics. Diabetics typically have a high rate of heart
> >   disease.
> >
> > At about the age of 37 years Prendergast submitted to a CAT scan to
> > investigate some vague abdominal pain. Subsequently, the technician said
> > to him " Hey, you've got other problems here - you have developed
> > atherosclerosis to the degree I'd expect to see in an 80-year-old" This
> > caught the immediate attention of Prendergast. His own (MD) father had
> > had a heart attack at the age of 43 which made him quit working and he
> > died a few short years later as a result of it. Prendergast reckoned he
> > did not want to follow these particular footsteps ... He was so
> > fortunate as to be working close to medical researchers studying
> > L-argenine, NO etc, and he arranged to spend a lot of time with them.
> >
> > As a result of their information, he commenced taking a daily dose of
> > laboratory grade L-argenine. HE ALSO PRESCRIBED THIS FOR HIS DIABETIC
> > PATIENTS.
> >
> > Some 16 years later, Prendergast once again had an abdominal CAT scan.
> > He had the same technician as he had had 16 years before. The technician
> > was amazed. Comparing the scan data 16 years apart, he pointed out that
> > Prendergast's arteries were now TOTALLY CLEAR of athersclerosis.
> > Prendergast was also amazed, and then went and had a scan done of his
> > heart arteries. Totally clear of athersclerosis. He had the arteries of
> > a 17-year-old.
> >
> > During that 16 year period, whereas formerly his diabetic patients
> > developed heart disease at such a rate that they kept three heart
> > surgeons in business, NONE OF THEM developed heart disease. Five
> > thousand (5,000)  diabetics in 16 years totally free of athersclerosis.
> > All as a consequence of taking L- argenine on a daily basis. BTW, the
> > three heart surgeons moved to other locations to practice their craft.
> >
> > The L-arginine /NO researchers also told Prendergast that although L-
> > argenine worked well, he really should also use L-citrulline. Ingestion
> > of L- argenine works for ( approx?) 6 hours. L-citrulline lasts for 24 -
> > 36 hours, with the same beneficial effect as L-argenine.
> >
> > Prendergast decided that the best way to help potential sufferers of
> > heart disease was to get alongside the best business of its type he
> > could find and make a diet supplement incorporating L-argenine,
> > L-citrulline as well as other anti-oxidants and vitamins. Hence
> > Proargi-9+
> >
> > This stuff is not patentable.  Is there anything wrong with what he did?
> > In my opinion, not. He has made an important scientific / medical
> > discovery available to all to alleviate premature death and suffering.
> > There are few of us in such a position to give effect to such an
> > altruistic motive and action. He was true to his Hippocratic oath (
> > assuming he took one) and has reached out to help thousands of 
> > potential heart disease victims.
> >
> > Esselstyn, who by the way represented the USA in the Olympic games
> > (rowing) is an MD who served in the Vietnam war where he performed very
> > many autopsies on GIs and also their Vietnamese counterparts. He
> > discovered that these young GIs already had advanced athersclerosis,
> > whereas the young Vietnamese had none. Esselstyn concluded that living
> > on a vegetarian diet was responsible for the difference. He is also well
> > aware of the biochemical pathways in the human body which involve
> > L-argenine and nitric oxide, and has text and a diagramme in his book
> > dealing with this.
> >
> > He ran an experiment over many years involving ( 18?) heart patients who
> > had been sent home by their heart specialists, to die. Their
> > atherosclerosis was so bad, and they had been subject to so many
> > surgical interventions, that no more were possible.
> >
> > He put them on a strict vegan diet, had frequent ( weekly - monthly)
> > follow- ups, and with his wife developed interesting menus. Over 20
> > years not one of that group has died through athersclerosis, whereas the
> > control group who decided the diet regime was too tough has thinned out
> > a bit now through heart disease.
> >
> > Some of the active experimental group members have had their
> > athersclerosis actually reverse - in other words, minimise or disappear.
> >
> > What his experiment has shown is that the natural concentration in the
> > body of L-argenine is not sufficient to counteract the damage by free
> > radicals ( from meat, fat etc) which leads to atherosclerosis.
> >
> > Esselstyn has chosen to tell the world about his work though the printed
> > word, radio programmes, and some videos. Although he must by now have
> > heard of Prendergast, I'm not aware of them joining forces in any way.
> >
> > Well, that's about it. The 10 minute video below is worth watching if
> > you haven't done that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDqLcblMyIY
> >
> > Their work is not the stuff of snake oil.
> > It's excellent science translated into a form to benefit all mankind.
> >
> > Brian Swale

Brian Swale
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