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Subject: Re: [OM] Trip to the US?
From: Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:30:33 -0700
Chris Crawford wrote:
> I'd heard on the news, on NPR, that there was one outside Sacramento,
>   

Ah yes, sigh. Do folks realize that Sacramento is the Capital of the 
5-6th. biggest economy in the world? And that it has been, and is, in a 
very protracted political battle over its budget and especially how 
limited funds will be allocated.

Sure, those folks are deserving of compassion and help. But the specific 
location of the tent city is almost certainly a matter of politics.

> California. The city was trying to find someplace to house all the homeless 
> people there, many of whom were middle class people who had lost their jobs, 
> then their homes and everything else. Remember that in California housing is 
> so drastically overpriced 

I'm sure that's what it looks like from where you are. From here, it 
looks like the houses in places that make sense to live in are all full 
of people. If they were overpriced, nobody would have bought them at 
those prices. I have new neighbors who paid an amount for the house that 
would undoubtedly make your eyes bug out. Sure, they could buy a mansion 
in Ft Wayne for that. But the job tha allows them to make the house 
payments is here, not there, and isn't going to be there in our lifetimes.

There are certainly a lot of houses going for a fraction of what they 
were worth in some areas. The majority of them are in areas that 
shouldn't have been developed in the first place, oversized, yet 
shoddily built houses that were sold to folks who really couldn't afford 
them on the basis of unrealistic mortgage terms. The whole business was 
criminal, and not enough people will suffer for their part in it.

I think some of the blame still rests with people who were foolish 
enough to to go along with the madness, making unrealistic commitments 
far beyond their means with no savings or other fall back position.

Me, I refinanced to pay off the friend who I bought my house from so 
many years ago who wanted to get the remaining balance out of the loan 
she was carrying. And I went with a low interest, five year fixed, then 
adjustable rate loan. But I also calculated what the payments would be 
on the maximum the rate it could go up to and determined that I could 
make those payments - before signing up. So the rate went up for a year, 
and I spent more interest than before. Now the rate is down below what 
it started at.

Hmmm... Have we seen any news stories about folks who were prudent 
enough to have the savings to weather a year or two of higher payments - 
and who are now paying LESS than before the meltdown crashed interest 
rates? Naw, good news doesn't raise ratings.

Still, it was an aberration that doesn't mean much in the overall Calif. 
housing stock and market in the long run. With any luck, some of those 
stupid developments will be bulldozed and go back to their proper use as 
farmland.

Lots of them, by the way, are in the corridor between the SF area and 
Sacramento. You can guess why the tent city ended up at the end of that 
corridor that it did.

> that people can't keep the house unless they QUICKLY find a job paying nearly 
> the same as the old job they lost.
>   

Not to be a cynic, but how is that different from the situation of 
anyone, anywhere, with monthly housing costs, who is improvident enough 
not to have some rainy day money saved? Do people in Indiana who lose 
their jobs and can't make their mortgage or rent payments get to stay on 
for free?

For good or ill, and I take no stand at all, we are still a largely 
non-socialist country. People who live their lives like that isn't true 
often suffer the consequences.

Moose
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