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Re: [OM] OT: Camera card help

Subject: Re: [OM] OT: Camera card help
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:30:44 -0500
CF cards are hardly horse and buggy.  The big difference with CF cards 
vs others is that CF cards are truly "hard drives" as far as the 
computer is concerned.  CF cards all contain a complete disk drive 
controller.  The computer only needs to say stuff this into some virtual 
sector number.  A CF card will translate that into its own physical 
structure without the computer needing to know anything about that 
structure which may be radically different from card to card.

The other guys tried to get by on the cheap by leaving the controller 
chips out.  But controller chips got really cheap and the other guys 
were saddled with device dependencies.  That's why you run into things 
like old Oly digitals which only take XD cards which only go up to some 
trivial limit.  The trivial limit is hardcoded into the firmware of the 
camera.  No fix available.

Stay with CF.  It's clearly the best.  If it were possible to build a 
terrabyte CF card tomorrow your cameras should (theoretically) be able 
to use it.  If fact, there's probably some other address limitation in 
the camera's firmware but it's likely a very much larger number than 8GB.

Chuck Norcutt

Charles Geilfuss wrote:
> Chuck, you da man! Nailed it. She has the Rebel XSi an the card is 8G SDHC.
> Problem not solved but at least understood. At least I know my reader will
> still work with my horse n' buggy CF card.
>   Thanks Ali and Dr. Flash(card).
> 
> Charlie
> 
> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Chuck Norcutt <
> chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> You didn't specify the model of the Canon Rebel of the specific type of
>> flash card.  Up to and including the 400D (Rebel XTi) the cameras used
>> CF cards.  Starting with the 450D (Rebel XSi) they take either SD or SDHC.
>>
>> If it's a CF card then there is nothing different about an 8GB card vs a
>> 2GB card except the format of the data on the card (FAT32 vs FAT16).  SD
>> cards are different.  SD cards only go to 2 GB.  SDHC can go up to 32GB.
>>  But, quoting from the Wiki article on SDHC cards:
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#SDHC>
>> "SDHC cards only work in SDHC compatible devices, but standard SD cards
>> work in both SD and SDHC devices".
>>
>> My guess is that your sister-in-law's Rebel is either a 450D (Rebel XSi)
>> or 1000D (Rebel XS) and the flash card is an 8GB SDHC card.  Your
>> multi-reader and her printer are probably old enough that they don't
>> talk SDHC.  The solution for the moment is to download directly from the
>> camera via the USB cable for the camera.
>>
>> Both of you will need newer readers if you want to handle this SDHC card.
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>> Charles Geilfuss wrote:
>>> Ali,
>>>   The card reader (Sandisk Multi-card Reader) works fine with other cards
>>> including the 1 Gig CF I used in my E-500 today and my in-laws SD card.
>>> Absolutely no problem with these. When I put in the 8 Gig card nothing
>>> works: not the Photoshop auto-load window nor the Windows "do you want to
>>> open this device as a file" window. Everything locks up and I have to use
>>> the Device Manager to get out of Photoshop.
>>>   Since I posted my original message, my sister-in-law tells me this card
>>> will not work in the card slots of her printer. It locks up and ignores
>> the
>>> card also.
>>>   Could the card simply be too big for these devices? Could it be
>> defective?
>>> It seems to work fine in the camera.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:17 PM, AS <alizookoman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> First of congrats to your wife! Its not easy to attend college while you
>>>> are a working adult, I have been attending part-time as well.
>>>>
>>>> Is the card reader working? I have a Dazzle card reader which seems to
>> work
>>>> great with SD cards but will not work with CF. Cheap card reader!! Can
>> you
>>>> plug the camera in directly?
>>>>
>>>> My old Sandisk CF reader - original USB 1.x specs but works great!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Charles Geilfuss <charles.geilfuss@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>>> From: Charles Geilfuss <charles.geilfuss@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: [OM] OT: Camera card help
>>>>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 8:06 PM
>>>>> Greetings All,
>>>>>   My wife graduated from college today after attending
>>>>> part-time classes for
>>>>> 10 years. She graduated magne cum laude and we are all very
>>>>> proud of her.
>>>>>   I have a small problem though. My sister-in-law took some
>>>>> photos with her
>>>>> Canyon Rebel and would like to download them to my computer
>>>>> (PC Windoze xp).
>>>>> I use Photoshop Elements as an organizer, but when I insert
>>>>> her camera's 8
>>>>> Gig card into the card reader neither Photoshop nor the
>>>>> computer in general
>>>>> will recognize it. Any thoughts on why this would be?
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Charlie
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