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Subject: [OM] Re: Everyday camera
From: "DICK LAGUE" <rlague@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:17:14 -0800
Barry,

I did check the archives and there is a lot of interesting discussion on
the LC1 and the Leica.  Thanks for the tip.

Dick

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From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Barry Hinderks
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:33 PM
To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [OM] Re: Everyday camera


Dick,

Ted Grant, a long time pro in Canada, had the Leica version. He ranted
and
raved about the 13 X19s he was rolling out. He also had lots of comments
about "reviewers" and the "need" for more and more pixels. Ted was also
very impressed with the B&W capabilities of the camera. You might check
the
archives on the Leica User's Group as his comments and others are there.
Barry H



At 03:08 PM 1/4/05 -0800, Dick L wrote:
>
>Thanks for your observations.  I have read lots of reviews on the
camera
>and they seem to be very contradictory.  Most of them complain about
the
>price.  Which is by the way $1200.00 now for the Panasonic.
>
>I always take reviewers with a grain of salt.  I just wanted to know if
>anyone on the list had other than anecdotal viewpoints.  Then again I
>guess I should remember this is an Olympus list
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf of Winsor Crosby
>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 1:58 PM
>To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [OM] Re: Everyday camera
>
>
>Maybe I should have been a little more detailed. I have used a Nikon 
>Coolpix with EVF. You can focus with it manually, but no one does it 
>because it is painfully slow, difficult and "iffy". At this point in 
>the technology an EVF is not really suitable for manual focus in my 
>opinion and that is what you seemed to be interested in. The EVF in the

>Panasonic is not a particularly good one like the one in the Konica 
>Minolta A2.  It is fine for accurate framing with an autofocus camera.
>
>Another thought. Mostly the reviews indicate that the Leica/Panasonic 
>sensor is noisier that the same size sensor from Nikon, Canon or 
>others(In cameras that have more resolution and cost $1000 less). That 
>means that you are going to have to post process the images to remove 
>noise in many of your images or keep the enlargements small. If you 
>keep the enlargements small there is no need to pay all that money for 
>the Leica lens because you will never see its quality.
>
>But buying a camera can be subjective. For me, I would hate to spend 
>$1600 for a camera and watch other people getting better images out 
>their $800 cameras. There is no way an image out of the Panasonic will 
>be as good as that from an Olympus C-8080 or any inexpensive DSLR + 
>lens kit. I hate the idea of buying a camera for its manual focus lens 
>and then not be able to tell whether it is focused in the viewfinder or

>that I will see noise using even the lowest ISO and that it will limit 
>the size of a print unless I buy another program to process it. But 
>that is just my opinion and you may love it.
>
>
>Winsor
>Long Beach, California, USA
>On Jan 4, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Winsor Crosby wrote:
>
>>
>> No. I considered buying one and after a lot of reviews decided
against
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Winsor
>> Long Beach, California, USA
>> On Jan 4, 2005, at 9:30 AM, DICK LAGUE wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Have you actually used one?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:olympus-owner@xxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Winsor Crosby
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:17 AM
>>> To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [OM] Re: Everyday camera
>>>
>>>
>>> It is a very nice small sensor digicam with a nice lens. Considering
>>> that you can buy the same size sensor in a $300 Coolpix or Canon, 
>>> $1600
>>> seems to be a bit pricy no matter how nice the camera. If you have 
>>> ever
>>> tried to manual focus with an EVF, you will understand that the
>>> beautiful manual focus lens will never be used. You will probably
end
>>> up only using the autofocus option. In addition it does not have an
>>> autofocus lamp and you will have probably have autofocus problems in
>>> dim light. At the end of the day you will still have have a low
>>> resolution noisy, except in perfect conditions, image that is
typical
>>> of the sensor size.
>>>
>>> Considering that it weighs a bit over 1.5 pounds and that something
>>> like a Canon 300D weighs 1.8 pounds with the kit lens I do not see
>the
>>> advantage of the Panasonic/Leica. The new Oly and Pentax may be 
>>> lighter
>>> yet. A small DSLR with an everyday LENS is a so much more capable
>>> combination in every way while not giving away much in size or
>>> convenience. That said, I use a tiny camera with the same size
sensor
>>> for just slipping into my pocket on the off chance there will be a
>>> photo, but if I had to hang it around my neck I would just take the
>>> DSLR.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Winsor
>>> Long Beach, California, USA
>>> On Jan 4, 2005, at 7:40 AM, DICK LAGUE wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know this thread is dead......but my dailies lately have been
XA-4
>>>> and
>>>> Contax G-2. [like the focusing!....may sell it].
>>>>
>>>> Any opinions here on the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LC1 ????  looks very
>>>> interesting to me.....I know it is not an Olympus.....But....
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