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Re: [OM] "poor-quality" plastic cameras

Subject: Re: [OM] "poor-quality" plastic cameras
From: "Lee Penzias" <l_penzias@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:28:12 -0500
I have to agree it is the particular type of plastic, the design/execution (fabrication), and application that counts. But just as metals work-harden under stress, plastics can suffer from other forms of fatigue and damage. But I don't think plastics can match the longivity of the better metals, and therefore couldn't be said to be overall better structural materials. Replaceable component parts yes - chassis and shells maybe not.

I think the disposable/repairable connection is plastics and electronics having increasingly being incorporated together. Hence the association. And often plastic assemblies are a factory press-fit; i.e. they will usually break if any attempt is made to disassemble them.

Cheers,
Lee

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From: dreammoose <dreammoose@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [OM] "poor-quality" plastic cameras

About 33 years ago, I was taking the tour inside Hoover Dam and somehow dropped my Nikon Ftn (OMs didn't exist yet) 5+ feet onto the concrete floor. Somehow, the fact that the floor was part of such a massive piece of concrete made it seem harder. The camera acquired a rather modest ding on the corner and I got a crooked, out of focus picture of the ceiling. Never had any problem with the camera for the several years I used it before replacing it with my first OM.

I don't disagree at all with what William said about the right type and quality of plastic, used correctly, being superior to metals for most of the structural uses in camera construction. That doesn't mean a sturdily made metal camera isn't rugged. One thing not discussed directly in this thread is the quality of design and choice of materials (assuming the materials used are those actually specified per Richard Allen's post). It is possible to make a camera that is mostly metal that is rugged and reliable or one that is fragile and unreliable (we can all think of examples) and the same is true of a mostly plastic camera. Putting the whole thing down to plastic vs. metal is way too simplistic. I posted a while ago about a failure of the plastic focus/zoom mechanism in my Can*n S110 that was clearly an avoidable design flaw, not a problem with using plastic, but how it was used. On the other hand, who among the mechanically inclined hasn't encountered metal structural pieces that crystallized and cracked under vibration and/or stress?

Also, putting the whole disposable vs. repairable issue onto structural materials is off base. Much of that comes from electronics issues of reliability, repairability and obsolence.

Moose

John Cwiklinski wrote:

William wrote:

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I invite any reader to try the same thing with a Nikon F, Olympus OM, etc, and let us know what happens. (No? If metal cameras are so rugged, why are you afraid of dropping one 3' onto an asphalt surface?) Plastic withstands all sorts of abuse that would severely damage a metal-bodied camera.
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I have inadvertently dropped (actually kicked) an OM camera from a high school gym bleachers. Sure, it made alot of noise, people stared at me, etc. As it was going down, my thought was on the circuitry, not the mechanical. (Still works great, today) The D100 is not professional and is based on the Nikon N80 body (I believe), whereas the D1X is still considered the pro version. Both take the majority of Nikon's SLR lenses. I'm not sure what the intent of your post is. I don't think I would go out and buy any camera just to do a drop test. I think I'd rather use it for its designed purpose, taking photos.
As always, my 0.02 USD.



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