Shawn, you are wise beyond your years! Paul.
Shawn Wright wrote:
> On 1 Apr 98 at 23:49, R. Lee Hawkins wrote:
>
> > >PvT's usage of " ! " marks may not be proper application of punctuation in
> > >the English language, but he is free to do so - it is *his* style. His
> > >responses of "I have one of these available for $x.xx" may not have
> >
> > No, it doesn't, and is blatantly commercial, which, since this list is
> > hosted by an educational institution, is not a good idea. If the list
> > becomes predominantly commercial in nature (meaning lots of vendors
> > follow Paul's lead and flood the list with "Hey I've got that
> > postings"), then Shawn might well decide that the *educational* purpose
> > of the list is gone, and drop it.
> <snip>
> >
> > This is a free country, but even in a free country, we are allowed to
> > have standards if we as a group here wish to. This list is intended to
> > be educational, not commercial. Paul has crossed that line, and we need
> > to make a decision as a group (Shawn, wanna give us an opinion on this?)
> > as to whether this thing should be allowed. Why? Because if we let
> > Paul do it, we have to let *every* vendor do it, and then the list will
> > quickly just become an advertisement list. And if that happens, I'm
> > history.
> >
>
> I have refrained from commenting so far, mainly because I have been too busy
> to
> even read most of the posts. However, since Lee has directed this one to me, I
> will make a few observations and recommendations:
>
> I would agree that Paul's post have decidedly lower education vs. commercial
> content ratio than most on the list.
>
> So far, I have let this slide, as the list collectively asked Paul to
> refrain, and he promised to do so, by keeping pointed commercial replies
> private, as they should be.
>
> But these commercial replies were starting creep back on the list which I had
> hoped was just a case of Paul replying to the list in error. His recent
> rebuttals and comments on the multitude of postings suggest that it was not an
> error.
>
> Even assuming Paul slipped up in forgetting his promise, his rash of replies
> was totally unacceptable, as they had zero Oly content (and not even any
> commercial content).
>
> Not so fast, though. Those of you who flooded the list with this off topic
> discussion are also to blame for perpetuating these zero content messages.
>
> So in future, if anyone has a continued problem of this nature, please direct
> your messages either to myself, or in private to the person with which the
> problem exists. By "continued" problem, I mean cases in which a listmember has
> already been made aware of their inappropriate posts, but chooses to continue.
> Obviously I can't deal with every off topic beef that comes up.
>
> So that's it. Paul, you are welcome on this list provided you can minimize
> direct commercial notes, and offer some educational advice.
>
> ps: And to those who suggest just filtering the posts you don't like - that
> only works on usenet where you can choose what to download. Most listmembers
> are forced to download all of it, *then* filter. And I remind you that Zuiko
> has delivered >800,000 messages since Nov 20, 97, which amounts to just under
> 4
> Gb of data, most of which is from this list. How'd you like to have *that* on
> your monthly ISP bill? ;-)
>
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> Shawn Wright
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> Shawnigan Lake School
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