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Subject: Re: [OM] swans
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:31:55 -0500
I never thought about the gator factor in the south.  There's not much 
of a natural control in the northeast.  I don't know about geese but a 
mute swan is capable of killing a fox.

Chuck Norcutt


On 2/10/2014 1:11 PM, Charles Geilfuss wrote:
>    Beginning a few years ago, we have had a small population (around 25-50
> birds ) of Canada Geese that have been living year round on the ponds
> scattered around Daniel Island. The area has about a dozen ponds ranging
> from 1/2 acre to three acres. A few geese are picturesque and I enjoy
> seeing them fly over. Their numbers have been stable but if it turns in to
> 250 birds it will be a problem. So far I haven't heard any complaints from
> the residents about them and the HOA has been mum to their presence. The
> local alligators have been getting fatter, so there may be a built-in
> correction factor.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Chuck Norcutt <
> chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Canada geese have two different population types.  One is the normal
>> migratory goose which the "flyway" treaties between the US and Canada
>> were designed to protect.  The other is the resident goose population
>> who (for whatever reasons) do not migrate as their ancestors did.
>> Migratory geese are protected, resident geese are not.  The problem is,
>> how do you tell the difference?  The US Fish & Wildlife Service has been
>> trying to solve this (unsuccessfully) for a long time.  See:
>> <https://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/RegulationsPolicies/geese.html>
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2014 10:22 PM, Bill Pearce wrote:
>>> Our local Zoo has a world class problem, aw hell, our whole state has a
>>> problem with resident Canadian geese. The damn rats with wings are
>>> everywhere, leaving their own special marks behind. They inhabit the zoo
>>> because that's where the food is and guns aren't. The airport has
>> hunters on
>>> a regular basis who have special permits to shoot on sight Canadian
>> geese.
>>> they spray the eggs with Pam coking spray. It helps, but a mass
>> eradication
>>> program would be the only , if you will accept the term, final solution.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chuck Norcutt
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:01 PM
>>> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [OM] swans
>>>
>>> Mute swans in the US are considered an invasive species that threaten
>>> our native birds, other wildlife and aquatic vegetation.  They used to
>>> be protected by a treaty between the US and Canada to protect migratory
>>> waterfowl along the "Atlantic Flyway".  But they were declared an
>>> invasive species and lost that protection about 10 years ago.  The US
>>> Fish and Wildlife service is getting aggressive over control measures
>>> and urging the states to take measures to significantly reduce the
>>> population.
>>> <http://www.fws.gov/refuge/Blackwater/what_we_do/invasivespecies.html>
>>> In some states they are hunted in extended hunting seasons or simply
>>> killed outright.  In Massachusetts the preferred solution (in 2006) was
>>> egg addling. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose_egg_addling>
>>>
>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2014 3:14 PM, John Hudson wrote:
>>>> Knowingly, or unknowingly, damage a swan in the UK and you could be
>>>> looking
>>>> at a very serious period of incarceration with little chance of parole !
>>>>
>>>> jh
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 12:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [OM] swans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.  I haven't seen any swans since we left the Boston area 7 years
>>>> ago.  But they're not very welcome there.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/8/2014 10:45 PM, Mike Lazzari wrote:
>>>>> Local residents of the pond down the road ½mi/1km. We've had some temps
>>>>> in the 20'sF and they've kept this patch of water open for feeding.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId=11326
>>>>>
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