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Re: [OM] Saving the planet or just saving money?

Subject: Re: [OM] Saving the planet or just saving money?
From: <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:05:19 -0800
That's interesting. Has the same thing happened to #2 fuel oil which I always 
considered essentially the same as diesel?  Fortunately, I don't have to buy #2 
fuel oil any more.

Chuck Norcutt


>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Bill Pearce <bs.pearce@xxxxxxx>
>  To: 'Olympus Camera Discussion' <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  Subject: Re: [OM] Saving the planet or just saving money?
>  Sent: Nov 15 '10 13:59
>  
>  Not true. Diesel requires more special processing at the refinery to remove 
> sulfur, now regulated. Refineries have spent millions of dollars designing 
> and buiilding special units that remove sulfur, and so pass on the cost plus 
> a substantrial markup to the consumer. At least it doesn't have ethanol.
>  
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>  
>  Bill Pearce
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>  From: chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>  Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 3:53 PM
>  To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>  Subject: Re: [OM] Saving the planet or just saving money?
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>  In the US diesel fuel is more expensive than gasoline.  Peculiar since 
> diesel requires less refining.
>  
>  Chuck Norcutt
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>  >  -------Original Message-------
>  >  From: Wiliam Wagenaar <wiliam@xxxxxxxxx>
>  >  To: 'Olympus Camera Discussion' <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  >  Subject: Re: [OM] Saving the planet or just saving money?
>  >  Sent: Nov 15 '10 10:15
>  >
>  >  I recently bought a 2003 Toyota Avensis Verso Diesel (D4D Engine). I was 
> looking for Automatic transmission like my previous '95 Toyota Picnic on 
> Gasoline had. Was told Toyota did not have the combination of Diesel and AT 
> available. (at least for NL/Europe). In the Netherlands on the 2nd hand 
> market te price difference is quite small between Diesel AND Gas fueled cars. 
> Because I drive 25000km a year on average the Diesel is very interesting with 
> it's 15.7 km/l so far against 10.0 km/l for the smaller Picnic's we had 
> before. Especially since Diesel costs about €1,15 per liter against €1,48 for 
> the gasoline.
>  >
>  >  Thing is, in the Netherlands you also pay "ownership taxes" (free 
> translation from "houderschapsbelasting") In our case it means €125,-/month 
> for the Diesel against +/- € 62,-/month for Gasoline car of the same weight. 
> Since I already drove 11000km with the car since I got it late July, I'm 
> still good with the diesel.
>  >
>  >  Wiliam
>  >
>  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  From: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>  >  Sent: maandag 15 november 2010 19:04
>  >  To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>  >  Subject: Re: [OM] Saving the planet or just saving money?
>  >
>  >  > I don't believe Toyota sells diesel cars in the US. The prodominance of
>  >  > murricans that have not driven diesels in Europe seem unable to 
> understand
>  >  > that it is possible to make on that is virtually indistinguishable from 
> gas.
>  >
>  >
>  >  Now you are bringing up a very sore subject for me. It's not that the
>  >  consumer doesn't want them, it's literally impossible to buy one and
>  >  when you can get one, the idiots have mated it up with an automatic
>  >  transmission which blows up because it can't handle the torque.
>  >
>  >  AG
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