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Re: [OM] Saving the planet or just saving money?

Subject: Re: [OM] Saving the planet or just saving money?
From: <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:52:48 -0800
In the US diesel fuel is more expensive than gasoline.  Peculiar since diesel 
requires less refining.

Chuck Norcutt



>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Wiliam Wagenaar <wiliam@xxxxxxxxx>
>  To: 'Olympus Camera Discussion' <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  Subject: Re: [OM] Saving the planet or just saving money?
>  Sent: Nov 15 '10 10:15
>  
>  I recently bought a 2003 Toyota Avensis Verso Diesel (D4D Engine). I was 
> looking for Automatic transmission like my previous '95 Toyota Picnic on 
> Gasoline had. Was told Toyota did not have the combination of Diesel and AT 
> available. (at least for NL/Europe). In the Netherlands on the 2nd hand 
> market te price difference is quite small between Diesel AND Gas fueled cars. 
> Because I drive 25000km a year on average the Diesel is very interesting with 
> it's 15.7 km/l so far against 10.0 km/l for the smaller Picnic's we had 
> before. Especially since Diesel costs about €1,15 per liter against €1,48 for 
> the gasoline.
>  
>  Thing is, in the Netherlands you also pay "ownership taxes" (free 
> translation from "houderschapsbelasting") In our case it means €125,-/month 
> for the Diesel against +/- € 62,-/month for Gasoline car of the same weight. 
> Since I already drove 11000km with the car since I got it late July, I'm 
> still good with the diesel.
>  
>  Wiliam
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Ken Norton [mailto:ken@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>  Sent: maandag 15 november 2010 19:04
>  To: Olympus Camera Discussion
>  Subject: Re: [OM] Saving the planet or just saving money?
>  
>  > I don't believe Toyota sells diesel cars in the US. The prodominance of
>  > murricans that have not driven diesels in Europe seem unable to understand
>  > that it is possible to make on that is virtually indistinguishable from 
> gas.
>  
>  
>  Now you are bringing up a very sore subject for me. It's not that the
>  consumer doesn't want them, it's literally impossible to buy one and
>  when you can get one, the idiots have mated it up with an automatic
>  transmission which blows up because it can't handle the torque.
>  
>  AG
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