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Re: [OM] IMG: Patterns

Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Patterns
From: "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:35:21 -0500
Chuck,

Actually, the one I ordered is listed as the BLM-01.  Is there a difference?

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Patterns


> It would probably be hard to beat Amazon's price on either battery by
> more than a trivial amount.  I just checked and see that the BLM-1 is
> shipped by Amazon with free shipping.  That's a better deal than the
> Energizer.  Although the Energizer is about $2 less it's not shipped
> directly from Amazon and thus not eligible for free shipping.  So, rest
> assured you did get the best deal.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> Jim Nichols wrote:
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Having no experience with other suppliers, I ordered the Oly BLM-1 from
>> Amazon.
>>
>> I will keep Energizer in mind for future needs.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Patterns
>>
>>
>>> One doesn't need to use OEM batteries, just get an equivalent from a
>>> reputable battery manufacturer.  I've been using Maxell in my Minolta
>>> and Energizer in my Canon.  At the time I bought the Energizer I think
>>> it was only about $25.  These days reputable batteries other than OEM
>>> are getting harder to find and cost savings even harder.  Here's
>>> Energizer's ERD510 which is the BLM-1's equivalent.  But at Amazon it's
>>> only about $1 cheaper than the BLM-1 from Oly.
>>> <http://www.amazon.com/Energizer-ER-D510-Battery-Olympus-PS-BLM1/dp/B000301FXI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1276636746&sr=8-1>
>>> The Canon equivalent is Energizer ER-C590 which is some $3-4 cheaper.
>>> <http://www.amazon.com/Energizer-ERC590-Lithium-Camcorder-Battery/dp/B00006JM5Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1276637144&sr=1-1>
>>>
>>> I think the high cost of lithium-ion batteries from reputable
>>> manufacturers probably has as much to do with product liability as
>>> quality manufacturing.  Lithium-ion batteries truly are dangerous.
>>> Check the Energizer MSDS for lithium-ion batteries.  See Section III.
>>> <http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/lithiumion_psds.pdf>
>>>
>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Nichols wrote:
>>>> OK, Chuck, you raised my concern level to the point that I have ordered 
>>>> a
>>>> "genuine" Olympus battery.  I tried to call the vendor from whom I
>>>> purchased
>>>> the third party batteries, and could find no one to talk to except the
>>>> operator.  I will keep them for emergency use, but will add the Oly
>>>> battery
>>>> to my usual rotation.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your concern.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:45 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Patterns
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Since there's no way to tell from the outside whether the battery is
>>>>> good or not about all you can do is trust the reputation of the
>>>>> manufacturer.  If you don't know who the manufacturer is there's no
>>>>> reputation available for trust.
>>>>>
>>>>> "I can't find the ones I purchased in the list..."
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Nichols wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks for the link, Chuck.  I can't find the ones I purchased in the
>>>>>> list,
>>>>>> but I see that it is about four years old.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I purchased from a California supplier who sells through Amazon,
>>>>>> apparently
>>>>>> with a good reputation.  We will see how they work out.  The supplier
>>>>>> provides a 1-year warranty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have two chargers, the large, fast one that came with the E-1, and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> smaller, slower one that came with the E-510.  I used the latter one 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> charge these batteries, and will continue to do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:49 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Patterns
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Such a review can't tell you anything.  The only way to tell is to
>>>>>>> destructively open them up.  Where you have problems with 
>>>>>>> lithium-ion
>>>>>>> batteries is if the charger fails and is overcharging the battery or
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> the battery should get short circuited somehow... neither of which 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> any part of normal operation.  A properly built lithium-ion battery
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> internal circuitry to prevent fire and/or explosion in the event of
>>>>>>> overheating or short circuit.  Lots of cheapie, Chinese made 
>>>>>>> batteries
>>>>>>> don't have this vital protection.  That's part of why they're able 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> sell so cheaply since the protection chip (at least from US sources
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> TI) costs about $2.50 in quantities of 10,000.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even supposedly well made and QC controlled batteries from Sony and
>>>>>>> Apple have had fire problems.  The problem with a lithium-ion fire 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> that it can't be put out with water.  Water will cool it but not
>>>>>>> extinguish it.  You have to let it burn out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since there's no way to tell from the outside whether the battery is
>>>>>>> good or not about all you can do is trust the reputation of the
>>>>>>> manufacturer.  If you don't know who the manufacturer is there's no
>>>>>>> reputation available for trust.  This link has been posted here
>>>>>>> before:
>>>>>>> <http://t5r.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/e1/clonetests.htm>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Nichols wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Chuck.  That's why they are going into the E-510, rather 
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> E-1.  The one review that I found on them indicated he had not had
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> problems with them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Chuck Norcutt" <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: "Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 10:00 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OM] IMG: Patterns
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nice work.   A beautiful image from the ordinary.  But watch out 
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> those 3rd party batteries.  Some of them can burn you.  Literally.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim Nichols wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I purchased a couple of third party batteries for my Olys, so I 
>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>> one in the E-510 to see how it worked.  Seems to perform fine.
>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>> image was one of several that I made to see that the battery 
>>>>>>>>>> worked
>>>>>>>>>> ok.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Patterns.jpg.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Comments and critiques welcomed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA
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