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Subject: [OM] Re: (Wildly OT) Electric heaters
From: Tim Hughes <timhughes@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:55:35 -0700 (PDT)
Bob,
    in general electric heaters are bad for the environment, although a point 
of use heater if it
allows you to cut your overall energy use by setting your thermostat to a much 
lower *average*
temperature for the whole house can work well.   

All types of electric heaters are similar in efficiency, although having a 
blower etc can make
percieved comfort better. Any claims that one electric heater is more efficient 
than another at
generating heat, is bogus science.

The general reason electric heating is bad, is that most of our electricity is 
generated from
burning fossil fuel and to generate electricity the best possible conversion 
efficiency is limited
by a heat engine Carnot cycle. This means electricity conversion from the heat 
content in the
original fuel is under 40% maybe 30% after losses of distribution etc. I don't 
have exact numbers
at my fingertips, but it is well under 50%.  If you heat your house by burning 
fuel oil or gas
directly the conversion efficiency could in theory approach 100%,  but it 
depends on furnace
design. I know for example even cheap Gas Water heaters run 70%, a bit more for 
a power vent
designs and if you have a more expensive internal combustion design they can 
run up to 95%.  So
heating directly with gas or oil probably is at very least twice as efficient 
in terms of carbon
produced and likely better.   From a purely financial viewpoint though, it 
depends on relative
cost per BTU from different fuels which can vary a lot short term, because of 
contracts,hedging
etc by utilities. Over the long term the cost/BTU tends to even out for 
different fuels, since
market forces even it out.  In the US Natural gas prices for example vary 
widely, state to state.
I seem to remember Utah for example has much lower prices (~0.5X ?) than other 
places etc.

Long term improving your house insulation ,Super -E double glazing, roof 
insulation etc. would
make economic and environmental sense.

Tim Hughes.


--- Bob Whitmire <bwhitmire@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> Again, wildly off topic as far as photography is concerned, but I  
> post questions here because I know there are folks on the list who  
> have the kind of knowledge I'm looking for.
> 
> So those of you who heat with oil know this coming winter is likely  
> to be a nightmare for your bank account. We just got our EasyCap  
> payment statement from the oil company, and we're going to be  
> shelling out $489 a month for 10 months to keep our furnace fed this  
> winter. (Unless, as some say, oil prices are on a bubble that's ripe  
> for bursting. I'm not holding my breath.)
> 
> A huge number of folk are turning to wood pellet stoves, so many in  
> fact, that the stoves are backordered and there's no guarantee enough  
> pellets will be available during the winter. I'm intrigued, but I'm  
> not particularly in favor of encouraging the burning of even more  
> fuels that directly dump assorted undesirable gasses into the  
> atmosphere.
> 
> Cord wood is going for about $262 a cord for green wood, and if you  
> don't already have dried wood, forget it. Not going to get any.
> 
> So I've been looking at electric heaters, space and otherwise. One I  
> find intriguing is the quartz infrared heater. It retails for about  
> $250-$300, claims to run on about $1 a day, and, if the claims are  
> anywhere near true, would be able to take the edge off in, say, my  
> upstairs work area, so that I could keep the thermostat at about 55F  
> and run the heater while I'm working.
> 
> Esteemed wife is looking at Vornado electric space heaters for her  
> fitness studio. She has elderly clients, and needs to have the studio  
> heated to about 68F. But she doesn't have that many clients in the  
> winter, and these Vornados appear to be the type that would heat up  
> the space quickly then turn off, at minimal cost in electricity.  
> Again, the thermostat could be left at 55F, or even lower.
> 
> Of course I know nothing about electric heater technology these days,  
> but I do know there are all kinds of claims starting to circulate  
> about how to beat the high cost of oil heat. And I know a few people  
> who have ceramic space heaters who tote them from room to room in  
> winter and claim to save a considerable amount of money off their  
> fuel bills. If anyone on the list has already done the research, or  
> is familiar with such things as quartz infrared heat, please advise.  
> Off list, if you don't want to clog up the photo stuff, though my  
> guess is there are more than just me who might be interested.
> 
> Thanx in advance,
> 
> --Bob Whitmire
> www.bwp33.com
> 
> 
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