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Subject: [OM] Re: rechargable lithium ion batteries
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:41:40 -0400
You're right (as always) as I had forgotten about the current limiting 
devices... at least on those that are made as they're supposed to be :-) 
I hadn't thought about it before but I guess a battery that it expected 
to be driving a camera or other similar device might not be built to 
handle the current for a flash.  Still I'm very surprised that the 
current limit is less than alkalines let alone NiMH.

Chuck Norcut

Tim Hughes wrote:
> Chuck,   
>       Actually most common Li ion batteries are not "rated" to give 
> particularly high current,
> many are only rated 2C.  There are some types rated for higher currents 
> typically using a
> different electrode material, but they are not so common except for special 
> uses radio control
> helicopter users and power drills.  Most common Li-ion cells have built in 
> internal curent
> limiting electronics, so you cannot draw too high a current, to prevent them 
> self igniting!   The
> NiMH are actually frequently rated for higher current and more importantly, 
> don't have any built
> in protection electronics. 
> 
> In this  particular case, of the so called  "3V " lithium batteries these are 
> frequently not
> Li-ion, but some other Li chemistry like Li-FePO4 (~3.3) with electronics or 
> a diode to reduce the
> voltage a bit more. They reqiuire a special lower voltage charger too.  I 
> would not be surprised
> if their rated current was quite modest, like <2A. 
> But this is a guess based on not seeing the batteries so, I can't say 
> definitively, except the
> symptoms fit well with them having limited current capability.
> 
> Tim Hughes
> 
>  
> --- Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> But remember that these are supposedly rechargeable lithium ion 
>> batteries and not elemental lithium.  The thing that makes lithium ion 
>> batteries potentially dangerous is that they are capable of delivering 
>> far higher currents than alkaline or even NiMH batteries.
>>
>> So, I don't think your analysis can be correct if these are truly 
>> lithium  ion batteries.  But maybe the problem is that they're not 
>> lithium ion.
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>> Tim Hughes wrote:
>>> John,
>>>      I am Making some big assumptions here, since I don't have enough info 
>>> from what you have
>>> said, but I think this is what happens:
>>>
>>> When the flash capacitor is completely discharged at a cold start then 
>>> initially the current
>> draw
>>> is greatest. As the capacitor charges up a little the current is somewhat 
>>> reduced and then
>>> eventually drops off rapidly near full charge.
>>>
>>> It may be the particular Li batteries you have, can't supply the very high 
>>> initial current of
>> a
>>> completely discharged flash capacitor and the internal electronics then 
>>> stops the charging,
>> when
>>> the battery voltage drops too much at cold start.  Once the capacitor is 
>>> slightly charged
>> using
>>> the regular batteries, then the Li batteries can supply the lower current 
>>> to continue charging
>> it
>>> up. The flash capacitor does not completely discharge even after a full 
>>> dump, so once you have
>>> charged up the capacitor a little, with the regular batteries then it will 
>>> operate fine
>>> thereafter, off the Li, until you switch it off and leave it to discharge 
>>> completely.
>>>
>>> Tim Hughes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>> --- om4t@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>
>>>> I normally use two rechargable 3 volt lithium ion battery packs in an OM 
>>>> flash gun with my
>> E510.
>>>> The flash is a dedicated gun for the E series.
>>>>
>>>> When the flash has not been used for several days the battery packs do not 
>>>> bring the flash
>> gun
>>>> to life. If I change over to four Ultra Duracell 1.5 volt batteries the 
>>>> gun springs to life.
>> If
>>>> I then change yet again to the LI battery packs the flash springs to life 
>>>> immediately. It is
>>>> almost as if the flash needs to be initially energized with the Duracell 
>>>> batteries before the
>> LI
>>>> packs become operative.
>>>>
>>>> The LI packs are only a matter of a few weeks old, are fully charged and 
>>>> the connector points
>> on
>>>> both packs and in the camera are clean.
>>>>
>>>> When I start off from "cold" with the LI packs installed in the flash gun, 
>>>> the gun still
>> remains
>>>> inoperative even if I jiggle the packs slightly or apply a little pressure 
>>>> to the slide mount
>>>> cover on the flash gun casing so as to effect a "better" contact between 
>>>> the terminals on the
>>>> packs and in the camera.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any idea about what might be ailing my flash gun and / or 
>>>> LI battery packs?
>>>>
>>>> John Hudson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>  
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