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Subject: [OM] Re: Old computers - Geeks and nerds
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:37:13 -0400

Leandro DUTRA wrote:
> 2008/3/23, Ian Manners <oice500@xxxxxxxxxx>:
> 
> That was true of the 80186, but the 80286 was actually a protected
> mode processor.  What killed it was DOS: OS/2 (and later MS Windows)
> needed it to run DOS real mode programs under virtual mode.

On a 286, protected mode and real mode are incompatible.  Unlike a 386 
the machine is in one state or the other.  Getting to real mode from 
protected mode or vice versa requires a complete reset of the processor. 
  OS/2 did run both real and protected mode programs at the same time 
but it requires some fancy state save maneuvers after which you hold 
your breath and reset the processor in order to change modes.  Analagous 
to pressing the reset button on the front of your PC every 30 
milliseconds.  It's the reason that Bill Gates was quoted as saying the 
286 was a "brain dead" processor.  I have to say that Intel hardware 
engineers had no notions of how software guys might like to use the 
hardware and never even conceived of rapid switching between modes for 
software compatibility.  Fortunately, my boss had some serious sessions 
with Intel early in the 386 development cycle so the 386 was better than 
it might have been.  However, we never did convince them that the 386 
ought to have hardware support for true virtualization.

> ...so you
> could use '/' instead of '\' for directory separation in path names as
> you do in POSIX.  That was supposed to become the default in MS DOS 3
> as a step to Xenix, but in the way to v3 MS realise it needed the
> proprietary lock in and thus OS/2 was born. 
> 
Sorry, but the OS/2 guy who knows full well that OS/2 (contrary to 
popular belief) is an IBM conceived and designed product says.... huh???

Chuck Norcutt

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