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Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] film quest
From: "Danrich" <danrich@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:06:53 -1000
I've tried the Velvia 50 and if the light source is good use it.
I like the colors of the Provia 100F and tight grain over Provia 400F
but the 400F comes in handy for action shots with long tele's
I need to try the new Velvia 100 because I like the rich colors of the
Velvia 50 the most.
XDan

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Boris Grigorov
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 8:54 AM
To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [OM] [OT] film quest


I need to have stupidity check.

This weekend is going to be the peak of the fall foliage season.  I
already have the idea for the picture, went at the location already and
"shot" it.  It is wonderful as it is.  

The problem is film.

I used the 400 speed Fuji Superia Xtra.  Thought that I could use
something "better" and today when I went to the store I go to(I do not
know how professional they are, but are very customer service oriented)
to drop my film and also asked the question of print vs slide and did
not get a definite answer.  I also explained that have read somewhere
that the print film has better tonal range and exposure latitude and how
I do not like especially pix of waterfalls shot on slides that look like
milk rivers.  He told me that I should learn how to shoot for the
highlights.  (Actually I was talking for the ones I have seen here and
there in magazines.)  Then I choose the 100 speed Superia and the guy
came back with a set of slides he shot last weekend.  They were Velveeta
100.  Colors were nice, but the composition sucked.  His only argument
was that the Velveeta was a better film, but he could not explain why
(we did not get to his composition skills.).  I mentioned at the end
that it is probably less grainy.  What would you answer if you were him?

I have never printed, scanned or developed film and do not have any base
for comparison, so I expect you to tell me how stupid my purchase was.
Except for grain, what makes the Velveeta or any slide film for that
matter better?  I do not really care for the rendition of the colors, as
really need faithful reproduction (actually I like it and if I want it
later, I could achieve it in PS.). Now, when it comes to grainess, I
went to Moose's website and looked at his comparison of the two pix.  If
this is the grain you get when you enlarge it that much, it is not bad
at all.  If this small area is really what he enlarged to that size, it
is not bad at all, but still, how much grainier the print films are, can
anyone comment?  I also wander if he used tripod.

Then comes the question of how effective is the "remove film grain"
feature in PS.  

I still have about two days until the peak, when everything would be
yellow and pretty to change my mind, so let me know what you think.
Now, from experience I really think that Kodak is for shooting people
and Fuji is for shooting landscapes, which is what I do.

I really tried to make my mind looking at some magazines.  They compared
films and I did not see much of a difference at the 20X detail between
print and slide film.  Then there was the other one that had 96 films
compared and they were all good.

Now you probably understand my frustration and I promise that soon would
buy a scanner (I have the printer already..) and would be able to figure
some of this stuff on my own, but in a mean time, I need your help,
because, this picture is good, even the one without many yellow leaves
is so good, that I think I could proudly display it.

Which film (and be specific, please)would you recommend?

Write, write now, write a lot, I can't wait.  

Boris

P.S. If you need additional info, cc me, coz I am in digest mode, hell,
feel free to cc me even if you do not have to aks me anything.



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