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Re: Yellowing of radioactive lens elements....Re: [OM] 55/1.2

Subject: Re: Yellowing of radioactive lens elements....Re: [OM] 55/1.2
From: whunter <whunterjr@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:07:20 -0400

On Sunday, August 10, 2003, at 07:42  AM, Kennedy McEwen wrote:

In article , whunter <whunterjr@xxxxxxxx> writes

What I implied, but did not stress: Glass, a 'non-crystalline' melt of boron, silicon oxides and other elements, lacks the radiation sensitive
organic carbon bonds.  Glass is so resistant to radiation damage that
zillions of $ have been invested in the development of processes for
encapsulation of extrEMEly radioactive waste for 'eternity'. Depending
on the ingredients of a specific glass, glass can be susceptible to
'fogging' or color change induced by intense ionizing radiation.

Distilling all this to the pragmatics of a discolored Zuiko from rare
earth containing coatings:  First, the ionizing radiation level is
extremely low. While difficult to separate radiation induced change
from chemical degradation of the organic coatings, the science says the
damage is on the exterior of the lens, not within the inorganic glass
matrix.

All of that would be fine Bill, but if you take one of these lenses apart and isolate the yellow element, it doesn't take much work to demonstrate that the discoloration is in the *volume* of the glass, and certainly not just on the surface. At least, on the ones I have examined, that is the case - I don't preclude that there are examples where only the coating has yellowed. Many single coatins had a yellow sheen in the first place, but that isn't what we are talking about here.
Pictures I have seen of these lenses suggest that the 'yellowing' is remarkably homogeneous. Does your experience concur? Your direct observation of the lens in question is evidence, not speculation. I have never owned this lens. With uniform discoloration in a relatively short time period, I would suspect a slowly developing chemical discoloration from the rare earth or contaminants more than coloration induced by radiation. Just because the glass contains a trace quantity of a long lived radionuclide does not automatically link ionizing radiation to the color change. With this information, I am more intrigued about the history and chemistry of the specific glass which was used at that time. My general statement re the stability of glass to ionizing radiation is fact. I have no scientific experience with glass containing radionuclides but have seen many pieces of antique Heisey glassware ('Marigold' as I recall) which utilized uranium as a coloring agent. The radiation damage from the trace U-235 requires decades to develop. It is manifested by physical degradation of the glass which is not uniform. I suspect the uranium salts were either not mixed well or were phase segregated in the molten glass.

Also, I am not aware of ANY organic compounds used for coatings - the coating fabrication, being a plasma deposoition process, tends to preclude most organics. I have specified diamond coating on some optics, which technically is an organic material but not an organic compound, and most coating materials are generally MgF or similar materials.
Diamonds, inorganic (NOT organic) carbon, are remarkably resistant to radiation, but not the technology of 1970 +/-. Vapor deposition of fluorides, are certainly the standard of today. Likewise there are organic based coatings available, but I lack detailed knowledge of these products and their precise use in optics. My 'varnish' analogy was dangerous because optical coatings are extremely thin films in relation to a 'coat of varnish'. Do you know the exact technology which was utilized to coat the lenses which have 'yellowed'? Published tables identifying MC as purple, black, yellow, etc., contributes nothing to the quest for understanding. Was it vapor deposition or solvent based technology? Is there an Olympus scientist or scientific technician associated with the manufacture of these specific yellowed lenses who belongs to the list??

At any rate, I defer to one with direct experience. Uniform discoloration strongly suggests a delayed chemical discoloration. Inorganic chemical changes in the glass are most unlikely to be 'cured' by UV, the original issue as I understand. Unfortunate.

--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.
Python Philosophers

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