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Re: [OM] Topaz Studio 2 artistic explorations

Subject: Re: [OM] Topaz Studio 2 artistic explorations
From: Jan Steinman <Jan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 08:08:25 -0700
> From: Bill Pearce <billpearce@xxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> In no way does anything artistic come from a machine. 

Then chainsaw sculpture isn't art? It's from a "machine."

How about this, is it "art?" All done by machine.

    https://tinyurl.com/Rushmore-Borglum

In this case, it was done by thousands of men with dynamite and jack hammers. 
Are they not "machines" of a sort? True, they had an overall blueprint they 
were following that was dictated by Borglum, but you don't think any of the 
individual "machines" thought, "Hmm, a little bit deeper here will show more 
afternoon shadow detail?" Don't you think that, after that job, they each 
considered themselves "artists" in some way?

Is not a "Photoshop action" in many ways, "the works of a machine?" Shouldn't 
you be using a hex editor on the individual bytes in the TIFF file, instead?

These things are all just tools. I'm willing to say that someone who uses 
Photoshop filters is somewhat less of an artist than someone who manages to 
achieve the same effect using pigment and brushes, just as an "adorned" Kincaid 
print is less of art than a Bateman original. But aren't they both still "art?"

Where do you draw the line?

(Well, I think it's clear where *you* "draw the line," Bill, but can you 
appreciate the opposing point-of-view that says it's all a continuum, and that 
directing an algorithm to achieve a desired effect is not that much different 
from directing a bunch of guys with jack hammers to remove all the rock that 
doesn't look "presidential." :-)

Jan

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