If you have a temperature break the thermometer?
Global warming or not resource is scarce, period?
Amitiés
Philippe in a rush and yet curious to know the outcome on the heat
pump as he's thinking of having one installed at Mutz. Keep us posted
svp :-)
Le 30 nov. 12 à 00:11, Chuck Norcutt a écrit :
> Unfortunately then you'll have to take much more than your fair
> share of
> the "misery" because I (and as many others as I can convince) won't be
> doing our fair share. First I don't believe that the current warming
> (actually there hasn't been any statistically significant warming for
> about 15 years) is anything but natural along with a small
> anthropogenic
> component. Secondly, even if I did believe that you and I are
> responsible, an 80% total worldwide energy reduction within 50 years
> or
> so just isn't going to happen even if we all have the best of
> intentions. Do you have any idea how you could actually achieve this?
> If your contribution is something like running a heat pump you've
> got a
> long, long, long way to go. Thirdly, even if the computer models are
> correct and temperature does actually rise 4-6C by the end of the
> century it is much less expensive to embrace mitigation rather than
> prevention.
> <http://www.ted.com/talks/bjorn_lomborg_sets_global_priorities.html>
>
> I've never seen or studied a complete computer climate model but I
> have
> studied some of the code written by the academics as the Climatic
> Research Unit at the University of East Anglia. As a former IBM
> Systems
> Test manager of many years I have to say I've been appalled at what
> I've
> seen. How anyone could trust the output of such a jumbled mess is
> beyond me. I doubt that any of them completely understand their own
> work and doubt that any of it has or even can be tested. But I don't
> worry about climate models anyhow. I believe climate is a chaotic
> system just like the weather. Climate modelers have no more hope of
> predicting the climate of 2100 than they do of predicting the Dow
> Jones
> Industrial Average of 2100. In fact, no climate model predicted the
> warming hiatus since 1998. I'm not surprised.
>
> Sorry, but to make up for me you'll not even be allowed a small fire
> in
> the fireplace. :-)
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
>
> On 11/29/2012 3:17 PM, CyberSimian wrote:
>> Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>>> But, denyer or worrier, the fact that Britain produces only a small
>>> fraction of the earth's anthropogenically produced CO2 while the
>>> US (and
>>> especially now China) produce the bulk of it makes me call you
>>> financially impractical. Even if all of Britain did what you're
>>> doing
>>> it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference. The entire
>>> world will
>>> have to reduce total energy consumption by about 80% in order to
>>> make a
>>> dent in the (assumed) temperature
>>
>> This is to miss the point, which is this:
>>
>> The misery of curtailing runaway global warming must be equally
>> distributed
>> around the world.
>>
>> We in Britain cannot expect the populations of China and India to
>> embrace
>> the misery of curtailing runaway global warming if we in Britain
>> say "But
>> our contribution is so small that we do not need to do anything".
>> We need
>> to embrace the misery even though our contribution will make no
>> practical
>> difference to the end result.
>>
>> The misery must be equally distributed.
>>
>> -- from CyberSimian in the UK
>>
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