Phew - the graphs and voice transcripts on pages 29-31 make chilling
reading.
On 26 August 2011 00:22, Piers Hemy <piers@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The third interim report from BEA (including analysis of the cockpit voice
> recordings) was published a couple of weeks back, in English here:
> http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2009/f-cp090601e3.en/pdf/f-cp090601e3.en.pdf
>
> David Learmount wrote in Flight:
>
> " French accident investigator BEA has released a transcript of flight deck
> conversation between the pilots of Air France flight 447 as they fought to
> save the aircraft. The transcript makes it chillingly clear that they did
> not believe that the aircraft was stalled, despite stall warnings, so their
> attempts at recovering control were doomed to be unsuccessful.
> The transcript shows the pilots tried to blast their way out of the low
> speed regime by using power alone, without attending to the aircraft's
> nose-up attitude, and their verbal exchanges indicate that they did not
> understand why their actions were not producing the results they expected
> to
> see.
> When the problem first occurred, two copilots were managing the flight,
> while the captain rested in the crew rest compartment. But when the captain
> returned to the flight deck the aircraft was stalled and in a high rate of
> descent, and he was not able to contribute a strategy for recovering the
> aircraft before it hit the sea. "
>
>
> http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/08/02/360282/bea-releases-chilling
> -transcript-of-af447-crew-fight-to-save.html
>
> It seems to me that we are being invited to put it down to pilot error, but
> as I intimated in my earlier post, I don't believe that the human factors
> have been properly considered ... yet.
>
> Piers
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Barker [mailto:ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 25 August 2011 21:53
> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
> Subject: Re: [OM] Titanic, was More from the Airport
>
> I'll wait for the final report of the enquiry team, Piers, but it sounds
> like a classic case of an inexperienced pilot forgetting his elementary
> flying training: signs of the approaching stall. It's more difficult at
> night with a fly-by-wire aircraft, but the principles remain important:
> high
> nose, controls less effective, low speed, stall warner etc . . . But I
> don't know what cockpit indications they had. Oh, and the weather won't
> have helped, of course.
>
> And I think that the captain was away from the flight deck, or am I
> thinking
> of another instance?
>
> Chris
>
> On 25 Aug 2011, at 19:58, Piers Hemy wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the pointer, Chris. I am reminded of the developing
> > explanation for the loss of the AF Airbus over the Atlantic last year,
> > whereby it appears the flightdeck crew were battling to recover from
> > what appeared to be a dive from 39000 feet (huge amount of wind noise,
> > but airspeed indicators not working). The aircraft was actually
> > stalled, falling flat into the ocean. I can't imagine that it would
> > have been easy to convince anyone in those circumstances that the
> > right thing to do is the opposite of their instinct.
>
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