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Re: [OM] (OM) Totally OT - Climate Change

Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Totally OT - Climate Change
From: Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 16:42:16 -0700
On 8/9/2011 4:18 PM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
> Is that the claim?  That the aircraft were grounded due to ash from the
> eruption of Eyjafjallajökull?  If so then I don't know how you separate
> the effect of the ash cloud (which also contains massive amounts of CO2)
> from changes in emissions from reduced flying.
>
> Furthermore, I'll still bet that measuring the effect on global
> temperature is extraordinarily difficult and, in particular, assigning
> responsibility to the two different parts of the equation.  I'm still
> willing to give 30 days to find a reputable citation.

Easy there, Calm down, Chuck.

I have skipped most of this thread, especially the links. As I understand the 
thread itself, and your contributions, you 
are saying that the data is questionable and the models downright useless.

I generally agree with that. We don't know all the important variables, don't 
understand very well some of those we do 
know, can't measure many of them very reliably, have limited historical data 
for most - and, most of them are non-linear.

One of the roots of the discovery/development of chaos/uncertainty theory was 
early work on weather prediction. In other 
words, it was trying to predict short term climate events that led to the 
discovery that it is not possible to predict 
many things that we thought would one day be predictable. I believe that 
climate change is one of those things.

So, as far as I am concerned, all the endless stuff written and said about it 
is just chaff before the wind. Hence my 
cursory attention to this thread.

Nevertheless, I think it would be good for both your health and the general 
tenor of list discussion if you were to cool 
down a little bit, not read what's not there into casual posts, cut those who 
aren't being precise a little slack - and 
be more careful yourself.

Boris referred to a well documented event, but did so without great precision 
"grounding the aircraft of few countries 
for three days produced noticeable temperature change". But you jumped to a 
conclusion, that he was referring to global 
temperatures, and ran off on a rant on that basis.

He was, in fact, referring to ground temperatures in North America in the three 
days after 9/11. Whatever they may mean 
in any larger context, the event is well documented. 
<http://www.celsias.com/article/9-11-contrail-climate-effects-questioned/>

Serenity Moose
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