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Subject: Re: [OM] Peter Lik again
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:14:22 -0500
But I can't even hear the 20KHz anymore let alone the harmonics.  :-)

Chuck Norcutt

C.H.Ling wrote:
> To make it simple, all waveform other than sine wave is made up of the 
> fundamental frequency + harmonics, for example a 20KHz square wave will 
> contain 20KHz sine wave + 40KHz+60KHz+80KHz+100KHz...... sine wave in 
> different ampitudes, so you need an amplifier of much higher bandwidth to 
> pass a 20KHz square wave without smoothing out the corners.
> 
> All amplifier quoted the bandwidth in sine wave and you also need to note 
> the power they can handle in such a high frequency, that is called "power 
> bandwidth", some just quote their bandwidth at 1W power output.
> 
> C.H.Ling
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chuck Norcutt"
> 
>> If I had known the answer involved Fourier transforms (and I guess I
>> should have) I wouldn't have asked the question.  :-)
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>> ws wrote:
>>> The square root of the inverse Hilbert transform convoluted with the
>>> hypotenuse of the frequency, integrated over +-infinity time and you can
>>> show Why this is correct. :-)
>>>
>>> Actually the Fourier transform of a square wave shows odd harmonics that
>>> decrease in frequency, so a reasonable approximation requires summing
>>> a certain number of these harmonics, to recreate a square wave, But 
>>> probably
>>> more import is the phase shift introduce with lower bandwidth systems.
>>>
>>> http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/rbf/CVonline/LOCAL_COPIES/OWENS/LECT4/node2.html
>>>
>>> I do not know of any experimental listening tests of this, and I don't 
>>> think I can
>>> hear past 12Khz these days. At one time, I could hear 16KHz sine wave
>>> but my wife doesn't think I can hear at all. Maybe she just needs more
>>> bandwidth? Unfortunately bandwidth usually means a lot of work.
>>>
>>> I just wish someone would inform the mobile phone developers that
>>> too much compression turns voices into noise.
>>>
>>> Wayne - say what?
>>>
>>> At 06:20 PM 1/24/2009, you wrote:
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Norcutt
>>>>
>>>> Ken Norton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It takes 160kHz of bandwidth to pass a a 20kHz square wave.  Only 20kHz 
>>>>> to
>>>>> pass a 20kHz sine wave.
> 
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