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Subject: [OM] Re: thoughts on shooting wedding
From: Winsor Crosby <wincros@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 23:17:11 -0800
I am surprised by some of the generalizations made. I would not try to 
shoot a wedding with an Epic Stylus and your lighting statements would 
seem to apply to the digital equivalent of such a point and shoot. The 
lighting systems usable with  DSLRs are not essentially different from 
those of film SLRs. Dumbing down is not a function of digital vs. film. 
It is a function of consumer vs. professional/advanced amateur 
equipment. As for cost, film and processing for 50 rolls of film will 
pay for a very capable DSLR. Shooting would be essentially free after 
that.

I can certainly understand an argument of taste because of a preference 
for the look of film, or an argument that negative film would be 
preferable to slides or digital because latitude might save a situation 
you did not foresee, but this is just puzzling.



Winsor
Long Beach, California, USA
On Mar 8, 2005, at 9:00 PM, John A. Lind wrote:

> Wayne,
>
> After having done my share of them . . . and I know there's a few 
> others on
> the list with much, much more experience than me . . . I came to the
> conclusion some time back and recently reaffirmed it that anyone using
> digital for wedding work had best be using the very top end gear 
> ($$$$$)
> and keep the hotline open with whatever they believe to be the Supreme
> Being of the Universe for some very direct pleas if needed.
>
> Digital gear in general is (IMVHO) dumbed down and isn't designed for
> advanced lighting . . . and that is what I've found to be the biggest
> technical challenge to weddings . . . the lighting.  The overwhelming
> majority are not designed for flash brackets either.  It's as if the
> designers of them have no concept of ergonomics or any idea that 
> someone
> might just want to use one with a flash that isn't mounted in the 
> camera's
> hot shoe.
>
>  From a perspective of the "candids" the first most important technical
> requirement is lighting power and having enough of it to fill enormous
> spaces (near zero containment), work longer distances, not have to wait
> until the next millennium for the flash to recover, and be able to burn
> about 350 frames (with flash) without having to worry about battery 
> power
> pooping out.  Even a pair of T-32's in tandem is marginal (equivalent 
> to a
> T-45) for ISO 160.
>
> Lighting and how it's used makes an enormous difference . . . making or
> breaking a photograph and it's number one on my list of critical
> elements.  Mediocre posing and composition can look very good with 
> proper
> lighting use.  An excellent composition looks stunning with it.  
> Mediocre
> lighting kills the end result regardless of how skillful the posing or
> composition.  I don't believe the digital camera designers have 
> grasped the
> concept yet that it's all about light.
>
> BTW, now that "digital" has become sufficiently commonplace, the 
> pendulum
> is swinging the other direction and a number of high end studios are 
> now
> touting the use of film . . . which leads me to the conclusion that a 
> lot
> of the digital hoopla a couple years ago in the same marketplace was 
> being
> used much more for marketing and booking clients than for any technical
> advantage, improvement in end result, or true reduction in business 
> cost!
>
> [BTW, I've been through the numbers again with as comprehensive an 
> analysis
> as I could put together regarding costs . . . film still came out on 
> top,
> measurable with decent confidence that it really does cost less, but 
> not by
> a huge margin.  What digital really does is shift significant costs; it
> doesn't reduce the total . . . not if the "hidden" and indirect costs 
> are
> captured.]
>
> Thus endeth my rant for the evening.
>
> -- John
>
> At 06:21 PM 3/5/2005, Wayne wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd share a few thoughts on a wedding I shot last evening. 
>> I did
>> about half in digital with the C5050, and the rest with Kodak Portra 
>> 400NC
>> and 160NC. I did shoot a bit with 120mm Ilford XP2 Super, but haven't
>> received the results from that yet.
>
> . . .
>
>> So I guess the conclusion for now for me is, I probably either need 
>> an E-1,
>> or maybe better, plan to stick with the OM's and film for a while yet 
>> for
>> occasions like this.
>>
>> Wayne
>
>
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