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Subject: Re: [OM] Climate Change
From: Nathan Wajsman <photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 07:23:41 +0200
This is the excuse used by those who wish to do nothing. I am 57, so I will 
most likely be dead before the worst consequences of global warming occur, but 
I care about the world in which my children and their children will live.

Cheers,
Nathan

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> On 10 Oct 2018, at 06:29, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> On 10/7/2018 12:54 AM, Jan Steinman wrote:
>>> From: Nathan Wajsman <photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> 
>>> Just keep sticking your heads in the sand, deniers.
>> We are in an age where scientific evidence is seen as equivalent to belief 
>> in what is heard on Fox News.
> 
> This kind of thing drives me crazy. To get away from attacking you, and allow 
> my rant full scope, let's look at this statement, reproduced on T-Shirts, 
> etc. by Neil deGrasse Tyson:
> 
> "The good thing about Science is that it's true whether or not you believe in 
> it."
> 
> Anyone who looks at the history of science would know that this is the 
> opposite of the truth. At all times in the past, science has not been true. 
> It's progress has always disproved what was "known". I can't imagine why that 
> isn't still the case.
> 
> The other thing that bugs me is "the consensus of scientists" as measure of 
> truth. The consensus of scientists was wrong at the times of Copernicus, 
> Newton, Pasteur, Einstein, quantum mechanics, and so on, and on, and . . .
> 
> Einstein's Special Relativity led to at least one fist fight at a physics 
> meeting. His Nobel was not for relativity. Darwin's idea of evolution as 
> observable phenomenon holds up, just as falling fruit confirms the 
> phenomenological truth of gravity. His ideas of the mechanism are in the 
> dustbin, just as understanding of the reasons for gravity have changed. 
> Lamark was, in the same way, correct, although again for the wrong reasons.
> 
> Further as to the consensus of scientists, consider What Max Plank had to say:
> 
> “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and 
> making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, 
> and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”
> 
> Climate change, sure; it's always changed in the past. "Climate Change" as PC 
> code for Global Warming? Based on history, perhaps not.
> 
> Real science is theory, and ever subject to change. Anyone who speaks of 
> "scientific truth" is not to be trusted.*
> 
> Ranting Moose
> 
> * Jan cites "scientific evidence", so he's not on the hook, although Max 
> Plank may be. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about?
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