Here on LI we've had FIOS for several years and we are very happy with
it. When we renewed our contract, they told use they'd be upping our
speed to 50/50mbps but when measured on a number of different "test my
speed" sites, it's actually over 80mbps both ways.
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On 3/2/2015 3:29 PM, Scott Gomez wrote:
Verizon has been very active in installing FiOS here in California. I've
lived in two different locations with it. At the first, there was no
service installed at all when we moved in. Verizon offered FiOS in the
area, and we called, placed an order, and they quite promptly installed it.
I was home the day the installed, and they used some sort of burrowing
device to bring the fiber from their nearest box all the way to the house.
It's fiber all the way, no copper whatsoever until inside the premises.
At the second location, fiber for FiOS was already installed, and when we
ordered a higher speed than that for which the house was already
provisioned, they came out and replaced the existing fiber termination box
and router at no additional charge to us. Transmission speeds are symmetric
and available up to 300Mbits (perhaps even 500Mbits) here; currently we
chose only to pay for 50Mbits, If I remember correctly. We had previously
been on 150Mbits but couldn't negotiate a reasonable rate to continue it at
the end of contract as we'll be moving before a new 2-years contract would
expire.
I don't know what the criteria are for Verizon cabling a given area, but I
can tell you that they are aggressive in installing fiber even in existing
developments. The first location referenced above was built out in the late
1960s or early '70s, and this location was built about a decade later. I
could be quite off in those numbers, but it remains true that both areas
could not have been originally provisioned with anything but copper, yet
Verizon apparently finds it cost effective to run new fiber to them any way.
My understanding is that FiOS uses PON (Passive Optical Networking) which
allows a single single-mode fiber cable to carry as many as 32 premises,
which are then split out to individual homes on a single strand of glass
for each.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Paul Braun <pbraun42@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Back when our telco was Verizon, they made noise about FIOS and installed
it in Fort Wayne (about an hour East of me). The had a sign-up list for
when they started rolling it out wider, and I got on it. Years passed,
nothing. Turns out that it was partially Comcast lobbying to exert their
monopoly against it, and partially Verizon knowing full well that it would
never fly anywhere else. Then they sold to Frontier and all future talk of
FIOS disappeared. And my DSL bandwidth instantly got cut in half. When I
called to ask why, they told me I was lying and that there was no possible
way I could have had the 3mbps that I was claiming, and that there was no
way that I ever would. They were content to keep charging me for it.
After months and months of complaining, I finally got through to a
supervisor who admitted that they had gutted all of Verizon's switching
equipment and replaced it with their own, and that's why my bandwidth
dropped. He also promised me that by the end of the year, it would be back
and probably better. 12 months later, nothing.
So, I kicked them to the curb and signed up with SatanCable, but only for
internet. It cost me about 2-1/2 times what my DSL bill had been, but I got
close to ten times the bandwidth. But it's supremely annoying that for
anything above 2mbps, I have zero options besides Comcast. I would LOVE to
see the fine folks at Google move into the neighborhood and string fiber.
What we lack is competition.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Under previous owners, our local cable system started building a FTTC
system at least fifteen years ago throughout the city. We get generally
good service everywhere and the only complaint I ever hear is cost for
cable. Oddly, landlinie phone is cheaper and internet is competitive,
especially as it is generally faster and more reliable than AT&T.
AT&T is slow to arrive, and don't know anyone that has it.
-----Original Message----- From: Ken Norton
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 11:13 AM
To: Olympus Camera Discussion
Subject: Re: [OM] OT: wiring a Cat 5 cable to a wall plate
What BT/Openreach are widely rolling out is FTTC (Fibre To The Cabinet)
with copper for the final link to the premises (running VDSL IIRC).
You'll
get a new street cabinet alongside the old one and they'll switch
subscribers as they sign-up. I was connected last month and now have
40Mb/s downstream and 10Mb/s upstream. Only 5x better down but 10x
better
up. There's another option with double those speeds but for more £
than I
wanted to pay.
Yes, this is the way of accomplishing it that doesn't require putting
in FTTH (Fibre to the Home). As long as I can keep the distances
reasonable from the serving device to the home, we have tremendous
speed growth potential. We're trialing stuff that gives us 100Mb over
twisted copper-pair. That'll address bandwidth needs for five or six
years and then the next generation of technology should push that to
1Gb, which is already in the lab. Everybody thinks that fibre is what
is required to get good speeds, and that's not necessarily true.
Copper is not speed limited, it's distance limited.
To do a complete copper replacement with fiber in a community is not
cost-effective. In an urban setting, it costs about $250000 USD per
mile of residential buildout to just replace the copper with fiber,
not including any equipment. This usually averages out to about $10000
per house. We amortize these in-ground assets over a 20 year period,
so that's $500 per year per house. That's $42 per month without even
figuring in TVM. I can keep maintaining what we have for under $10 per
month.
Do you think everybody is willing to pay $32 per month more JUST so
they can have a perceived advantage of FTTH?
If we're talking about greenfield installation, yes, it makes sense to
put fiber in, but to rebuild entire cities and countryside? No. That
6000-pair cable installed in 1963 will still be in service in 2063.
AG
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