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Re: [OM] (OM) Rendition of red colours by OM digital cameras

Subject: Re: [OM] (OM) Rendition of red colours by OM digital cameras
From: Don Holbrook <donholbrook@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 22:17:45 +0000 (UTC)
:-)..........haven't heard that word in years.

----- Original Message -----From: Chuck Norcutt 
<chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: Olympus Camera Discussion 
<olympus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Thu, 15 May 2014 19:32:19 -0000 (UTC)Subject: 
Re: [OM] (OM) Rendition of red colours by OM digital cameras

Silvernose nattering. Send real data.

Chuck Norcutt

On 5/15/2014 10:56 AM, Ken Norton wrote:>> Repeat when you have a side-by-side 
of the same subject taken at the same>> time in the same light.>> To a certain 
extent I agree with you. But in actual practice, the> difference is quite real. 
If a person photographs test charts you'll> see zero significant difference. 
However, depending on the light, the> E-1 responds is a VERY unique manner. 
This is related to three primary> contributors:>> 1. The red sensel sensitivity 
is shifted more to the IR. The IR cut> filter is not quite as strong. Some 
flowers actually extend into the> near IR which the eye sees, but sensors 
usually don't.>> 2. The red sensel sensitivity has a secondary bump in 
violet.This> means that the E-1 is actually able to reproduce violet. (purple> 
flowers may be purple (red+blue) or violet. Most cameras will only> properly 
capture the purple flowers and will shift the violet ones to> blue. The E-1 
fakes this by having the red sensels see the near UV> colors and th
 en gives you a red+blue to mimic violet. This can be> tested with a prism.>> 
3. The red sensel sensitivity doesn't extend as deeply into the> yellows. Most 
cameras capture yellows better than the E-1 at the> expense of the reds. This 
narrower spectral response (actually, it's> about the same width as the others, 
but is just shifted more towards> IR) means that the red channel is less likely 
to blow out with more> yellow content flowers. This maintains more tonal 
gradiation in the> highlights of the red sensels themselves.>> On the flip side 
of all this is the green sensels have their issues.> Unlike normal sensors, the 
E-1 sensor MUST use a 4-pixel mix. Most raw> converters can work with the 
sensor data on a 3-pixel mix. No, in most> cameras, it does NOT combine two 
greens with one red and one blue. It> combines one green, one red and one blue. 
Everybody assumes 4 pixel> mix and comes up with all sorts of crazy 
explanations as to why there> are two greens, but if you look at
  the matrix and see how you can> combine data at a single pixel location, you 
do so with just a triad.> If you go with a quad, you lose a lot of 
detail--which is what has> happened with the E-1. There are many versions of 
raw converters, but> nearly all ones (especially the Adobe ones calibrated for 
use with> Nikon and Canon cameras), they actually use a triad.>> However, due 
to the 4-pixel mix, the way the two greens have different> color/sensitivity 
responses, AND the added noise dithering, the> effective dynamic range of the 
E-1 is massive. The E-1 is about the> only camera that you can recover a 4-stop 
underexposed raw file and> still end up with a usable image. The 
anti-grain/noise freaks say that> all E-1 images are unusable, so keep this 
comment in mind as you read> my claim. But I've certainly used 3-stop 
underexposed images in> wedding albums without grief. This happens when you get 
a flash> misfire.>> The E-1 also has two other traits worth noting:>> 1. Skin 
tones.
  The extended near-IR response of the red sensels tends> to lighten skin tones 
a little bit, however, not so much that the skin> turns waxy. This has the 
great benefit of smoothing the skin out a> little bit AND it also helps make 
zits and blemishes fade.>> 2. The narrower red response in the visible spectrum 
combined with the> two green sensels of varying response makes for what appears 
to be a> greater midtone tonal contrast. So, there is a natural "S-Curve"> 
applied to the image without an actual "S-Curve" being applied to the> image. 
There is a lot of mathematical explanation that I could go into> on this, but 
you can't argue with the results. While you can always> adjust in post to mimic 
a lot of this, that requires bit-bending and> any time you are bit-bending you 
effectively end up with a lower> bit-depth per color channel. There are a 
number of medium-format> digital backs that have this trait as well as the new 
Fujifilm X-tran> sensor. But it certainly is something 
 that I have not seen with almost> any normal CMOS DSLR. The E-1 files, even 
SOOC jpegs, have better> midtone contrast than nearly any other camera.>> Yes, 
I do miss mine.>>-- 
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