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Re: [OM] Angels, SP and LR

Subject: Re: [OM] Angels, SP and LR
From: "philippe.amard" <philippe.amard@xxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:26:00 +0200
But I LOVE Angels!

Mark I
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Angels/

and

Mark II
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Philichromes/


I must admit that I never wear my glasses when I process my snaps,
and view them on an uncalibrated screen from about 6ft or more ....

Thanks for your input all the same :-)

Amitiés
Dilettante Philippe


Le 3 juin 13 à 07:11, Moose a écrit :

> I don't know who to pick out, so I'll pick out several folks.
>
> I know not only LR causes this, but with the recent discussions of  
> LR vs. PS and the many recent posts of otherwise
> lovely images with various versions of the same problem, well ...
>
> Generally, our images here are not of angels, at least not the sort  
> wearing halos. And yet, halos abound, on trees,
> buildings, hills, and so on in our images.
>
> Let me define what I'm talking about. USM, in it's many guises,  
> including LCE, in its various forms, including the
> Clarity slider in LR, works by enhancing contrast at contrasty  
> edges. When overdone, it leaves visible light halos
> around darker objects and, less often visibly, dark halos around  
> light objects. Other tools, that don't obviously use
> USM still leave halo tracks; the Shadow/Highlight tool in PS is one  
> that tends to leave large, soft, feathered halos.
>
> A very few things that we photograph have a halo from strong light  
> behind silhouetted subjects. This may be some
> combination of actual subjects and lens flare, but is not what I am  
> talking about. And yet, here and all over the web,
> there are endless images of things with halos. Is it the coming of a  
> new age of Angels? ;-)
>
> Since I already did this example, and Bob W is so in Hog Heaven that  
> he won't mind being picked out again, here's what I
> hope is a clear example. 
> <http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/Whitmire/w-NewHarbor_ND.htm 
> >
>
> I particularly like this example because the halos along the house/ 
> tree line, upper left are small, but clear, those
> around around the sign are so very obvious and because it has a good  
> example of a dark halo. Look at Enlarged Sample 2.
> The sign is what is most obvious, but look at the edge of the rock.  
> This very dark line is a more subtle, insidious sort
> of halo. Not always visible at normal size, it may nevertheless add  
> an odd, hard to define sense of unreality to parts
> of an image.
>
> So here's a rather random, very incomplete set of examples, a very  
> minor Angelic Hall of Fame.
>
> Chris' landscape sunrise is quite lovely, but there is a pixel+ wide  
> line of white and lighter gray along the tree line.
> $ to donuts that's not on the original. 
> <http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/chris-details.php?product=1642 
> >
>
> Phillipe's slightly eerie building lit from below has a similar,  
> harder line.
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/282051-1/Kaunas+-+Lituanie-00267-5.jpg 
> >
>
> Here, Bob A. has captured magical light, only to detract from it, at  
> least to my eye, with a large halo of artifact
> light around the building and tree competing with the natural light.
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rgacpa_HI/L1005768-Edit.jpg.html>
>
> Yes, there are plenty of others, both from some of the above and  
> others, but I hope I've made my point - and I'm too
> lazy to track down a bunch more.
>
> I tend to think it's a result of people getting comfortable with the  
> Clarity slider in LR, liking the overall effect as
> they crank it up some more and ignoring the details. I think you'd  
> find, if you went back over recent years here that
> the overall 'pop' of images we've posted has gone up. People who  
> were leery of enhanced contrast and saturation have
> become more comfortable with it.
>
> It seems to me that an interesting thing has happened with images  
> posted here over that time. It used to be Moose who
> was most often on the cutting, or bleeding, edge of post processing,  
> and rightly called on it often enough.
>
> Now, he has largely learned to temper his effects, while a new  
> contingent of post happy folks are leading the artifact
> parade.
>
> In PS, it's fairly easy to use masks to control this problem in many  
> color images to the point where it not there, or at
> least isn't obvious. In many cases, selecting the sky in a layer  
> prior to the tool causing the effect, making a masked
> layer from that selection and putting it above the affected layers  
> simply makes the problem disappear.
>
> B&W is trickier, as selection is harder without color differences.  
> However, other tools are more effective for B&W
> contrast adjustment than for color.
>
> I know effects may be brushed in, rather than global, in LR4, but I  
> suspect clean edges aren't part of that process, at
> least without lots of time and effort.
>
> Masked Avengel Moose
>
> -- 
> What if the Hokey Pokey *IS* what it's all about?
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