It is the Gov that is naughty.
>>> John Hudson <OM4T@xxxxxxxxxxx> 08/16/09 8:28 PM >>>
That's a naughty comment !
jh
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From: "Clay Nichols" <Clay.Nichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [OM] You know you are in Iowa...
>I will ask our Governor to pick up a steak for me the next time he is in
>Argentina for a nookie run.
>
>>>> Nathan Wajsman <photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 08/16/09 2:24 PM >>>
> I am all for BBQ, beer and tailgating. But good steak should not be
> cooked on a BBQ unless it is from Argentina and the person cooking it
> is from there as well. In any event, for us this is relevant since we
> have recently given up eating red meat--only chicken and fish now.
>
> Nathan
>
> Nathan Wajsman
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>
> On Aug 16, 2009, at 8:19 PM, Clay Nichols wrote:
>
>> Who cares. It is all pre-steak. Break out the grill, potatoes and
>> beer! It is almost tailgating season.
>>
>>>>> Joel Wilcox <jfwilcox@xxxxxxxxx> 08/16/09 1:58 PM >>>
>> I understand what you are saying, though there seems to be a bit of
>> consumer bias in it. If the political power of family farmers seems
>> disproportionate to their numbers, I suspect it is because the numbers
>> don't tell the whole story, and it is certainly not because they
>> actually are wielders of power. It doesn't take the numbers of
>> farmers today to raise the amount of food we need, as compared to a
>> century ago, but that doesn't lessen the vital significance of
>> agriculture. Agricultural commodities are not like other commodities
>> since we can't live without them. No doubt, though, that there are
>> sacred cows in agricultural policy, and no doubt the example New
>> Zealand provides is one to hope to achieve more universally.
>>
>> Joel W.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Nathan
>> Wajsman<photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> There is no particular advantage in supplying your own food. If a
>>> farmer in another country can produce the stuff you eat cheaper and
>>> better than you are better off buying from that country and devoting
>>> your own resources to something you are good at. "Food security" is
>>> 18th century mercantilism.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, most countries have a sentimental attachment to
>>> agriculture, not surprising since just a few generations ago it was
>>> the biggest industry almost everywhere. Today, even though farmers
>>> typically comprise only 2-3% of the population in OECD countries, the
>>> farm lobby has disproportionate political power and uses it to
>>> perpetuate price supports, protection from foreign competition and so
>>> on. The US is by no means the only or the worst sinner--those honors
>>> belong to countries like Switzerland, Japan and Norway. The EU is as
>>> bad as the US with the stupid Common Agricultural Policy.
>>>
>>> The only virtuous country is New Zealand, which some time in the
>>> early
>>> 1990s (I cannot remember the exact year and I am too rushed to look
>>> it
>>> up right now) abolished almost all agricultural subsidies and tariffs
>>> on food imports. Guess what? Today, New Zealand still has a thriving
>>> farm sector, but one that survives thanks to the quality and prices
>>> of
>>> its products instead of government largesse.
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>> Alicante, Spain
>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 16, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Joel Wilcox wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are an economist, correct? No offense intended, but I'm
>>>> surprised
>>>> you would characterize an issue so nuanced quite so broadly. Isn't
>>>> it
>>>> quite complex, since it involves food supply and who controls what
>>>> and
>>>> how whole countries compete in the world for markets? It has nothing
>>>> to do with welfare other than the fact that governments are
>>>> involved.
>>>> Domestic sources of food are literally of biblical significance in
>>>> the
>>>> scheme of things. What actually is more fundamental? I'm quite
>>>> certain that no one would care about a small family farmer if there
>>>> weren't something distinctly chilling about corporations controlling
>>>> food supply Sorry if I'm missing something here. I'm not learned in
>>>> this area.
>>>>
>>>> Joel W.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Nathan
>>>> Wajsman<photo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, and most farmers would not survive without subsidies and
>>>>> various
>>>>> other largesse from the Federal Government, so they are effectively
>>>>> welfare recipients, just without the stigma that the welfare
>>>>> recipients in cities experience.
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