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Re: [OM] Vivitar 2x-teleconverter for Hasselblad: RESULTS

Subject: Re: [OM] Vivitar 2x-teleconverter for Hasselblad: RESULTS
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:58:51 -0400
I remember an image that looked less attractive after Neat Image had 
removed the grain.  What previously looked like shingles on a distant 
building roof turned out to be nothing but grain.  :-)

Chuck Norcutt


C.H.Ling wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Moose"
>> C.H.Ling wrote:
>>
>>> I remember I have seen someone mentioned here that resize does not reduce 
>>> noise, I'm not sure if it is true.
>> I've certainly said here that it doesn't "necessarily" reduce noise. In
>> practice, my experience is that sometimes it does reduce apparent noise,
>> sometimes not, and occasionally, it seems to make it more objectionable.
>> I've no theoretical knowledge, but have noticed the effect of down
>> sampling on noise seems to vary with the nature of the noise and the
>> amount by which the image is being down sampled.
>>
> 
> I have similar experience, sample down an image usually will not reduce the 
> noise.
> 
>> There are so many variables involved, especially with film scanning, tha
>> most of us have only a limited sample of the real world variation. You
>> and I both scan @ 4000 dpi, but with both different scanners and
>> different software. Even with the same piece of film, some
>> characteristics of both grain and scanner noise will differ.
>>
> 
> I believe the light source made some difference, Nikon uses LED which 
> enhance the grain more.
> 
>> One difficulty with NR like this is that our eyes, at least mine, tend
>> to interpret the noise reduction as a loss of fine detail. The edges of
>> the grain tend to make things look sharper. In this case, even if a tiny
>> bit is lost, it doesn't matter, as the whole point is to prepare for
>> down sampling.
>>
> 
> This is normal, long ago in the film age I heard people will found the image 
> sharper for high speed film where there are stronger grain. For film images 
> NR do reduce the details especially for the low contrast one and the fine 
> texture on the clothes.
> 
> C.H.Ling
> 
> 
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