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> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
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> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> [OM] Re: Interior design
> [OM] Re: Photos with the E-510 & 14-54 Lens
> [OM] Re: Photos with the E-510 & 14-54 Lens
> [OM] Re: Interior design
> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> [OM] Re: Balkan Road Trip
> [OM] Re: E510 with saved settings problem.
> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> [OM] Re: E510 with saved settings problem.
> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> [OM] Re: Balkan Road Trip
> [OM] Re: Photos with the E-510 & 14-54 Lens
> [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
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> Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 20:15:06 -0700
> From: Mike <watershed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
>
> Chuck, I design and build kitchens for a living. Looks like yours was
> designed by the pimple faced kid at Lowe's. Your cheapest/easiest
> solution is to replace the refer with a cabinet depth model with double
> doors. No need to spend a bunch for a SubZero 700 series but maybe
> something like a Jennaire or GE Monogram. Still spendy enough. Anything
> else involves ripping and tearing. If you are handy with tools it may be
> possible to create a cavity behind the refer by removing the drywall and
> studs and then framing in a little alcove. I sometimes specify this
> during the construction. You did say that the garage is on the other
> side? If the framing is 2x6 then all that is necessary is an additional
> 3 inches or so leaving room for some rigid insulation. This will
> probably also require some plumbing and electrical knowledge. I can't
> tell the dimensions from the photos but the refer requires a certain
> width because of the geometry of the door when open. make sure it
> doesn't bind. A typical refer is 27~28" to the opening of the door so a
> recess of 28~29" from the face of the cabinets is ideal. I also can't
> tell from the photo if the hinge knuckle on top will clear the cabinet
> above. Unfortunately the kid didn't include a finish panel to the right
> of the refer so you either have to refinish the alcove with drywall or
> buy a sheet of cherry ply. Now you can switch the door swing. Anything
> else will involve removing cabinets.
>
> Mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 20:27:25 -0700
> From: Mike <watershed@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
>
>
>> Tell her that the fridge will now be opposite the stove - convenient...
>>
> Not really. Back to back appliances are generally to be avoided. They
> typically protrude and/or have doors that open and/or have people
> working there. A good design creates a work triangle with either the
> sink, refer or stove at each apex.
>
> mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:24:38 +1200
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
>
> Re:
>
>
>> Send us some pictures. I've got my own interior design problem with our
>> new to us 50 year old house. The entrance to the kitchen from the dining
>> room is a bottleneck. The doorway is only 29" wide, with cabinets on both
>> sides as soon as you enter. Next, you bang your left shoulder on the
>> refrigerator door handle as you walk in (assuming that someone is not
>> blocking the way by trying to access ...
>>
>
> My suggestions ...
> Swap the bureau / desk with the refrigerator. Move phone jack. Means you
> lose the cabinet above the desk. Can't win 'em all.
>
> On the other side, take about 8 inches off the bench next to the door. Save
> the end-panel and the trim. Re-make the drawer - you might have to re-do
> any dove-tailing. Probably lose the bench door next to the door. The newly
> exposed section of wall would need restoration.
>
> Bran Swale
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: bj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:28:11 +1200
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
>
> Re:
>
>
>> AG Schnozz <agschnozz@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>> hey - get in the queue...
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've got my own interior design problem with our
>>>> new to us 50 year old house.
>>>>
>> Ok, list--one more for you:
>>
>> We moved into a townhouse style condo that has no possible place to steal
>> for my darkroom. My wife would be willing to donate the closet under the
>> stairs to the cause...
>>
>> AG
>>
>
> Accept before she changes her mind. Will you fit?
>
> Brian
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 01:15:39 -0400
> From: Robert Burnette <r.burnette@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
>
> Jez:
>
> Don't know how your ceiling joists run, but the wall between the kitchen and
> dining room looks as though it could be a "bearing wall," or a wall
> supporting the weight of the upstairs floor joists in that end of the house.
> If so, you will need to support those joists with a large overhead beam if
> you remove the wall. Without a photo of the exterior of the house, it is
> difficult to imagine the possible construction. For example, is the entire
> house two-storied, or is that a one-story section?
>
> I notice that there is a beam support between the fireplace area and the
> lounge and hall areas. That would indicate that, in that part of the house,
> the second floor joists run at right angles to the beam (across it). If they
> run in the same direction over the kitchen and dining areas, you should be
> all right removing the kitchen/dining room wall. That would indicate that the
> wall between the kitchen/dining area and the hall/lounge area is the bearing
> wall. But, if those joists run in the opposite direction (parallel to the
> existing beam), the kitchen/dining room wall is a bearing wall and you will
> need another beam.
>
> Robert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jez Cunningham <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Friday, May 9, 2008 13:42
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
>> The plan is later to knock out the wall between the dining room
>> and kitchen and make one big kitchen/diner with the kitchen at
>> the front of the house and the diner overlooking the garden.
>> Possibly will turn the existing window and door into large french
>> doors onto the terrace.
>>
>> Thanks for looking
>> Jez
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 15:31:15 +1000
>
>
> Depends on distances. And while I know what a reefer is, a 'refer'
> eludes...
> Andrew Fildes
> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On 10/05/2008, at 1:27 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>
>> Not really. Back to back appliances are generally to be avoided. They
>> typically protrude and/or have doors that open and/or have people
>> working there. A good design creates a work triangle with either the
>> sink, refer or stove at each apex.
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 22:34:32 -0700
> From: Scott Peden <scotpeden@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
> refrigerator, one more bit of Yank slang exported......
>
> Andrew Fildes wrote:
>
>> Depends on distances. And while I know what a reefer is, a 'refer'
>> eludes...
>> Andrew Fildes
>> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/05/2008, at 1:27 PM, Mike wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Not really. Back to back appliances are generally to be avoided. They
>>> typically protrude and/or have doors that open and/or have people
>>> working there. A good design creates a work triangle with either the
>>> sink, refer or stove at each apex.
>>>
>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: Jan Steinman <Jan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: Interior design
> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 23:06:43 -0700
>
>
>
>> From: "Wayne Harridge" <wayneharridge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>
>>> Request for help!
>>> Any interior designers on the list who have good ideas about
>>> room layout? Or photographers with lots of experience of
>>> house interiors?
>>>
>> Depends a lot on whether the rooms are 5:4, 4:3, 3:2, 16:9 aspect
>> ratio.
>>
>
> But if the rooms were in the irrational ratio 1:1.4142135... and
> measured in millimetres, you could put the furniture anywhere you
> wanted!
>
>
> :::: Magic: using envisioned intent and directed action to select your
> desired future path from among the infinite ones available. ::::
> :::: Jan Steinman, Communication Steward, EcoReality:
> http://www.EcoReality.org
> ::::
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: Chris Barker <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: Photos with the E-510 & 14-54 Lens
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 07:11:12 +0100
>
>
> It's a nice flower, Ian, but the image is a tad dark on my monitor.
> Perhaps you need to increase the exposure a little.
>
> Chris
>
> On 9 May 2008, at 20:29, Jim Nichols wrote:
>
>
>> Though the 14-54 is not Oly's best for flower close-ups, when the
>> bloom is large, it does just fine. Here is an example of the blooms
>> that cover the mailbox post of my neighbor.
>>
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Flower143.tif.html
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 23:30:35 -0700
> From: Scott Peden <scotpeden@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: Photos with the E-510 & 14-54 Lens
>
>
> It appears to be one of the vining Passion Flowers varieties.
>
>> On 9 May 2008, at 20:29, Jim Nichols wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Though the 14-54 is not Oly's best for flower close-ups, when the
>>> bloom is large, it does just fine. Here is an example of the blooms
>>> that cover the mailbox post of my neighbor.
>>>
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Flower143.tif.html
>>>
>>>
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> From: "Wayne Harridge" <wayneharridge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: Interior design
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:16:48 +1000
>
>
>
>> But if the rooms were in the irrational ratio 1:1.4142135... and
>> measured in millimetres, you could put the furniture anywhere you
>> wanted!
>>
>>
>
> Great idea Jan, just work out how big a house you can afford and get the
> ratio of the floor plan right then you can go about dividing up the floor
> plan into rooms of every decreasing area. Best part is that all the rooms
> have the same ratio - I think that would work really well for an engineer to
> live in.
>
> ...Wayne
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:43:54 +1000
>
>
> Not exported or I'd have known it?
> How is it pronounced? As the verb, or as if with a double 'eff'?
> Andrew Fildes
> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On 10/05/2008, at 3:34 PM, Scott Peden wrote:
>
>
>> refrigerator, one more bit of Yank slang exported......
>>
>> Andrew Fildes wrote:
>>
>>> Depends on distances. And while I know what a reefer is, a 'refer'
>>> eludes...
>>> Andrew Fildes
>>> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/05/2008, at 1:27 PM, Mike wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not really. Back to back appliances are generally to be avoided.
>>>> They
>>>> typically protrude and/or have doors that open and/or have people
>>>> working there. A good design creates a work triangle with either the
>>>> sink, refer or stove at each apex.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:55:54 -0700
> From: Scott Peden <scotpeden@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
> same as the ones your country men like to smoke.... reefer/refer sounds
> the same.
>
> Andrew Fildes wrote:
>
>> Not exported or I'd have known it?
>> How is it pronounced? As the verb, or as if with a double 'eff'?
>> Andrew Fildes
>> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/05/2008, at 3:34 PM, Scott Peden wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> refrigerator, one more bit of Yank slang exported......
>>>
>>> Andrew Fildes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Depends on distances. And while I know what a reefer is, a 'refer'
>>>> eludes...
>>>> Andrew Fildes
>>>> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/05/2008, at 1:27 PM, Mike wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Not really. Back to back appliances are generally to be avoided.
>>>>> They
>>>>> typically protrude and/or have doors that open and/or have people
>>>>> working there. A good design creates a work triangle with either the
>>>>> sink, refer or stove at each apex.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> From: Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 18:06:53 +1000
>
>
> Hell, wouldn't want to roll one of those.
> You'd need a lot of papers and the ice maker would cause problems.
> Andrew Fildes
> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On 10/05/2008, at 5:55 PM, Scott Peden wrote:
>
>
>> same as the ones your country men like to smoke.... reefer/refer
>> sounds
>> the same.
>>
>> Andrew Fildes wrote:
>>
>>> Not exported or I'd have known it?
>>> How is it pronounced? As the verb, or as if with a double 'eff'?
>>> Andrew Fildes
>>> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/05/2008, at 3:34 PM, Scott Peden wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> refrigerator, one more bit of Yank slang exported......
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Fildes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Depends on distances. And while I know what a reefer is, a 'refer'
>>>>> eludes...
>>>>> Andrew Fildes
>>>>> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/05/2008, at 1:27 PM, Mike wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really. Back to back appliances are generally to be avoided.
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> typically protrude and/or have doors that open and/or have people
>>>>>> working there. A good design creates a work triangle with
>>>>>> either the
>>>>>> sink, refer or stove at each apex.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:07:58 +0100
> From: "Tom Fenwick" <super.wide@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: Balkan Road Trip
>
>
> Nice one! The Zastavas are still ubiquitous in Macedonia. I even saw
> one with a pumped up body kit and fat exhausts.
>
> Interesting comments earlier as well - the things that are the same
> everywhere are part of what interests me, and the dream/reality is one
> of my current projects, which isn't ready yet. I'd been looking at
> adverts and things here along those lines, and was delighted to find
> that they've started covering whole buildings with adverts in Sofia
> since my last visit. They definitely go the extra mile.
>
> Tom
>
> 2008/5/10 Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
>> Here you go - a quick and dirty comp.
>> A picture of despair.
>> http://www.pbase.com/afildes/image/96824093
>> Andrew Fildes
>> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Ian Manners" <oice500@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 18:43:18 +1000 (EST)
> Subject: [OM] Re: E510 with saved settings problem.
>
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
>
>> Based on Wayne's experience with his own 510 yours has got to be
>> defective or at least lacking a firmware update. ISO returning to auto
>> after every shot (and in manual mode at that) can't be passed off as a
>> "feature" by anyone.
>>
>
> It already has the latest firmware, and yes it sounds to me like a "software"
> problem. I'll see whats said re warranty/whatever, assuming you can back
> level or force a new update and if thats what the problem actually is.
>
> I keep thinking of cameras as mobile computers but not having indepth
> knowledge of the creation/production process I'll keep my views
> open :-)
>
> Cheers
> Ian Manners
> http://www.comkal.net/
>
>
> Windows Vista: Multicrashing, OS/2: Multitasking, Win 2007: MultiSleeping
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 13:16:59 +0200
> From: "Jez Cunningham" <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
>
> Many thanks for the suggestions Andrew.
>
> The furnishings are the current owner's - we don't move in until next
> month. They've lived there 30 years.
> (Hopefully you'd like our furniture more! As mentioned in the .txt file we
> have a 3-seater, 2-seater and armchair - in green leather.)
>
> We have a separate dining room (see floor plan) so we think we can have
> summer and winter seating at the same time. If you guys can come up with a
> good plan!
>
> (I guess you've worked out where are the windows/doors, and that we plan to
> reopen the door from kitchen to lounge. Otherwise it's a long walk from the
> kitchen with a cold beer to the 'summer' seating area!)
>
> In fact it was a farmhouse and some sort of attached farm building built in
> 1911 (yes vaulted brick ceiling) and converted in 1968. It's original
> redbrick ceiling in the hall but has been painted in the lounge :-(
>
> thanks again for the ideas,
> jez
>
> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Right - you have two linked spaces and it seems obvious that you have
>> a winter 'living; area in front of the fireplace, a summer living
>> area in front of the French windows (move the furniture as required)
>> and a dining area in the 'toe' (blue sofa area)which was a separate
>> room at some stage by the look of that beam. The only problem is that
>> the entrance to the room is in a terrible position opposite the
>> fireplace. And the plan shows a doorway directly from the kitchen to
>> the lounge which doesn't seem to be there in the photos.
>> Two sofas facing each other at right angles to the fireplace (one
>> each side). Or as an L with one forming a barrier to the french
>> window section in winter and the other to the entry door. Never back
>> them up to walls - bad 'feel'. Move them around on a whim for the
>> seasons. The sofas are a terrible match for the chairs - something
>> has to go. Get some traditional style sofas/couches. Perhaps match a
>> single seater, two seater and three seater and move them. Tapestry,
>> high back. Those table lamps should vanish with the sofas. And that
>> ceiling light fitting in the toe section (overlooking the pool). Out
>> of character the lot of them.
>> Remember - parquet and rugs means that things can be moved around as
>> you feel like it. Use alcoves rather than parking 'nice pieces' in them.
>> Dining area in the toe - put that door through into the kitchen if
>> it's been blocked off - what IS that ceiling? - wow! If it's brick
>> vault, I'd strip it. Darker but you've got lots of light.
>> Andrew Fildes
>> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/05/2008, at 1:24 AM, Jez Cunningham wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Charlie,
>>> Here you go - should be self-explanatory - sorry it's in metric! :-)
>>> http://users.pandora.be/cunninghams/photogallery/L-shaped%20room/
>>> I really appreciate new ideas (i.e. different from how the current
>>> owners
>>> have it (we don't move in for a few weeks yet) and how to
>>> accomodate the TV
>>> that they have positioned upstairs in a spare room)
>>> best regds
>>> jez
>>> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Geilfuss Charles <
>>> Charles.Geilfuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jez,
>>>> My son has a knack for design and furniture layout. He is
>>>> also a
>>>> teenager who needs lots of direction for constructive things to do
>>>> with
>>>> his weekend time. Send me the room dimensions and a list of the major
>>>> furniture pieces and I'll put him to work this weekend.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 13:24:10 +0200
> From: "Jez Cunningham" <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
>
> Hi Robert,
> Yes the building was two parts before conversion to one house, and the
> joists seem to run in different directions in each part.
> I had a structural engineer look at the wall before we committed to purchase
> and he confirms it is load-bearing.
> I'll post a exterior picture shortly fyi.
> thanks and best regds
> jez
>
> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Robert Burnette <r.burnette@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Jez:
>>
>> Don't know how your ceiling joists run, but the wall between the kitchen
>> and dining room looks as though it could be a "bearing wall," or a wall
>> supporting the weight of the upstairs floor joists in that end of the house.
>> If so, you will need to support those joists with a large overhead beam if
>> you remove the wall. Without a photo of the exterior of the house, it is
>> difficult to imagine the possible construction. For example, is the entire
>> house two-storied, or is that a one-story section?
>>
>> I notice that there is a beam support between the fireplace area and the
>> lounge and hall areas. That would indicate that, in that part of the house,
>> the second floor joists run at right angles to the beam (across it). If they
>> run in the same direction over the kitchen and dining areas, you should be
>> all right removing the kitchen/dining room wall. That would indicate that
>> the wall between the kitchen/dining area and the hall/lounge area is the
>> bearing wall. But, if those joists run in the opposite direction (parallel
>> to the existing beam), the kitchen/dining room wall is a bearing wall and
>> you will need another beam.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jez Cunningham <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Friday, May 9, 2008 13:42
>> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>>
>>> The plan is later to knock out the wall between the dining room
>>> and kitchen and make one big kitchen/diner with the kitchen at
>>> the front of the house and the diner overlooking the garden.
>>> Possibly will turn the existing window and door into large french
>>> doors onto the terrace.
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking
>>> Jez
>>>
>>
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> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 13:30:15 +0200
> From: "Jez Cunningham" <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
>
> Architects original sketches of front and back posted
> http://users.pandora.be/cunninghams/photogallery/L-shaped%20room/
>
> thanks again...
> Jez
>
> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Jez Cunningham <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Robert,
>> Yes the building was two parts before conversion to one house, and the
>> joists seem to run in different directions in each part.
>> I had a structural engineer look at the wall before we committed to
>> purchase and he confirms it is load-bearing.
>> I'll post a exterior picture shortly fyi.
>> thanks and best regds
>> jez
>>
>> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Robert Burnette <
>> r.burnette@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Jez:
>>>
>>> Don't know how your ceiling joists run, but the wall between the kitchen
>>> and dining room looks as though it could be a "bearing wall," or a wall
>>> supporting the weight of the upstairs floor joists in that end of the house.
>>> If so, you will need to support those joists with a large overhead beam if
>>> you remove the wall. Without a photo of the exterior of the house, it is
>>> difficult to imagine the possible construction. For example, is the entire
>>> house two-storied, or is that a one-story section?
>>>
>>> I notice that there is a beam support between the fireplace area and the
>>> lounge and hall areas. That would indicate that, in that part of the house,
>>> the second floor joists run at right angles to the beam (across it). If they
>>> run in the same direction over the kitchen and dining areas, you should be
>>> all right removing the kitchen/dining room wall. That would indicate that
>>> the wall between the kitchen/dining area and the hall/lounge area is the
>>> bearing wall. But, if those joists run in the opposite direction (parallel
>>> to the existing beam), the kitchen/dining room wall is a bearing wall and
>>> you will need another beam.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jez Cunningham <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: Friday, May 9, 2008 13:42
>>> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>>>
>>>> The plan is later to knock out the wall between the dining room
>>>> and kitchen and make one big kitchen/diner with the kitchen at
>>>> the front of the house and the diner overlooking the garden.
>>>> Possibly will turn the existing window and door into large french
>>>> doors onto the terrace.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for looking
>>>> Jez
>>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:25:03 -0400
> From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: E510 with saved settings problem.
>
> They are mobile computers but the camera companies have yet to realize it.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
> Ian Manners wrote:
>
>> I keep thinking of cameras as mobile computers but not having indepth
>> knowledge of the creation/production process I'll keep my views
>> open :-)
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:46:00 -0400
> From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
> Thanks, Mike, but neither Lowe's nor 2x6 framing existed in 1958 and the
> garage is behind the wall at the opposite end of the kitchen, not behind
> the fridge. But we do now see a cabinet depth fridge as part of the
> solution. We didn't know they existed before I posted this query since
> we had never looked at side-by-side configurations. We will probably
> build an alcove for a cabinet depth unit that extends into the garage.
> Where the dimmer switch is at far right in photo #4
> <http://www.chucknorcutt.com/kitchen/d-pict0021er.htm>
>
> Our latest thinking is to get rid of the cabinets above and to the left
> of the refrigerator (a side-by-side is too wide to fit under the
> existing cabinet) and replace them with a built-in shallow pantry with
> bi-fold doors and widen the kitchen doorway to 36" from the present 29".
> I may even try to use PhotoShop to build a visual mockup. It will
> probably be pretty ugly but may be good enough to get an idea of what it
> will look like.
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
> Mike wrote:
>
>> Chuck, I design and build kitchens for a living. Looks like yours was
>> designed by the pimple faced kid at Lowe's. Your cheapest/easiest
>> solution is to replace the refer with a cabinet depth model with double
>> doors. No need to spend a bunch for a SubZero 700 series but maybe
>> something like a Jennaire or GE Monogram. Still spendy enough. Anything
>> else involves ripping and tearing. If you are handy with tools it may be
>> possible to create a cavity behind the refer by removing the drywall and
>> studs and then framing in a little alcove. I sometimes specify this
>> during the construction. You did say that the garage is on the other
>> side? If the framing is 2x6 then all that is necessary is an additional
>> 3 inches or so leaving room for some rigid insulation. This will
>> probably also require some plumbing and electrical knowledge. I can't
>> tell the dimensions from the photos but the refer requires a certain
>> width because of the geometry of the door when open. make sure it
>> doesn't bind. A typical refer is 27~28" to the opening of the door so a
>> recess of 28~29" from the face of the cabinets is ideal. I also can't
>> tell from the photo if the hinge knuckle on top will clear the cabinet
>> above. Unfortunately the kid didn't include a finish panel to the right
>> of the refer so you either have to refinish the alcove with drywall or
>> buy a sheet of cherry ply. Now you can switch the door swing. Anything
>> else will involve removing cabinets.
>>
>> Mike
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:25:12 +0200
> From: "Jez Cunningham" <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
>
> You may like to tinker with Google SketchUp. Maybe better for buildings
> than interiors but I passed a few happy hours with it. Worth the money
> ($0.00)
> cheers
> jez
>
> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Chuck Norcutt <
> chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>> I may even try to use PhotoShop to build a visual mockup. It will
>> probably be pretty ugly but may be good enough to get an idea of what it
>> will look like.
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 07:40:47 -0700
> From: Winsor Crosby <wincros@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
>
> This American has never heard it. I suspect it is contractor lingo.
>
>
>
> Winsor
> Long Beach, California, USA
>
>
>
>
> On / May 9, 2008 CE, at 10:34 PM, Scott Peden wrote:
>
>
>> refrigerator, one more bit of Yank slang exported......
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 10:50:42 -0400
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> From: Michael Collins <l43g20th@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> My younger son, who's doing a whole variety of construction work until he
> figures out what he really wants to do, swears by SketchUp. He uses it quite
> a bit for interior layouts, to allow his boss and the clients to visualise
> what they're discussing.
>
> Not sure if he has any examples lying around, but I'll ask him - he's around
> the house this weekend.
>
> Michael
>
> On 5/10/08 10:25 AM, "Jez Cunningham" <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> You may like to tinker with Google SketchUp. Maybe better for buildings
>> than interiors but I passed a few happy hours with it. Worth the money
>> ($0.00)
>> cheers
>> jez
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:53:40 +0200
> From: "Jez Cunningham" <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
>
> Just posted a SketchUp view of the new house...
> http://users.pandora.be/cunninghams/photogallery/L-shaped%20room/SketchUp%20view.jpg
> I had fun with it
> br
> jez
> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Michael Collins <l43g20th@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>
>> My younger son, who's doing a whole variety of construction work until he
>> figures out what he really wants to do, swears by SketchUp. He uses it
>> quite
>> a bit for interior layouts, to allow his boss and the clients to visualise
>> what they're discussing.
>>
>> Not sure if he has any examples lying around, but I'll ask him - he's
>> around
>> the house this weekend.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On 5/10/08 10:25 AM, "Jez Cunningham" <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> You may like to tinker with Google SketchUp. Maybe better for buildings
>>> than interiors but I passed a few happy hours with it. Worth the money
>>> ($0.00)
>>> cheers
>>> jez
>>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:58:58 +0200
> From: "Jez Cunningham" <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: Balkan Road Trip
>
>
> "Last of the Summer Wine"
>
> Jez
>
> On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Here you go - a quick and dirty comp.
>> A picture of despair.
>> http://www.pbase.com/afildes/image/96824093
>> Andrew Fildes
>> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: Photos with the E-510 & 14-54 Lens
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 11:03:43 -0500
>
>
> Chris & Scott,
>
> Thanks for looking. I agree, it is a little darker than I usually post.
>
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <olympus@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 1:30 AM
> Subject: [OM] Re: Photos with the E-510 & 14-54 Lens
>
>
>
>> It appears to be one of the vining Passion Flowers varieties.
>>
>>> On 9 May 2008, at 20:29, Jim Nichols wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Though the 14-54 is not Oly's best for flower close-ups, when the
>>>> bloom is large, it does just fine. Here is an example of the blooms
>>>> that cover the mailbox post of my neighbor.
>>>>
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Flower143.tif.html
>>>>
>>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 10:32:43 -0700
> From: Jim Couch <zuikoholic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
> Jez,
>
> Actually Wayne is not far off the mark here, as that is exactly what we
> did with a very similar layout in our house. Not so old as yours, our is
> a 1920s Craftsman. :) I will try to e-mail a couple of pictures this
> weekend. We have one portion set up as the 'living room' and the other
> is my music listening space.
>
> Jim Couch
>
> Jez Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Ha!
>> Hmm, rectangles with some walls missing.
>> Any sensible ideas? :-)
>> cheers
>> jez
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 15:47:52 -0400
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> From: Michael Collins <l43g20th@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> A couple of SketchUp files, courtesy my son William - ground floor of a
> small house, and a kitchen:
>
> <http://www.ownvolition.com/SketchUp/PL%20house.skp>
> <http://www.ownvolition.com/SketchUp/PL%20kitchen.skp>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Chris Barker <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 21:47:52 +0100
>
>
> It's an excellent programme. The files were less than 1Mb yet they
> provided a full 3D view. Most impressive.
>
> Chris
>
> On 10 May 2008, at 20:47, Michael Collins wrote:
>
>
>> A couple of SketchUp files, courtesy my son William - ground floor
>> of a
>> small house, and a kitchen:
>>
>> <http://www.ownvolition.com/SketchUp/PL%20house.skp>
>> <http://www.ownvolition.com/SketchUp/PL%20kitchen.skp>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 14:52:17 -0600
> From: Gordon Ross <gordross@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] How about those Red Wings an alternate discussion for those out
> o
>
>
>
> So how about those Red Wings?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 08:32:54 +1000
>
>
> What did you open a .skp with Chris?
> Andrew Fildes
> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On 11/05/2008, at 6:47 AM, Chris Barker wrote:
>
>
>> It's an excellent programme. The files were less than 1Mb yet they
>> provided a full 3D view. Most impressive.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 10 May 2008, at 20:47, Michael Collins wrote:
>>
>>
>>> A couple of SketchUp files, courtesy my son William - ground floor
>>> of a
>>> small house, and a kitchen:
>>>
>>> <http://www.ownvolition.com/SketchUp/PL%20house.skp>
>>> <http://www.ownvolition.com/SketchUp/PL%20kitchen.skp>
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: How about those Red Wings an alternate discussion for those
> o
> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 08:33:18 +1000
>
>
> Que?
> Andrew Fildes
> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On 11/05/2008, at 6:52 AM, Gordon Ross wrote:
>
>
>> So how about those Red Wings?
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 19:18:08 -0400
> From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
> You have to download "sketchup" from Google
> <http://sketchup.google.com/download/>
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
> Andrew Fildes wrote:
>
>> What did you open a .skp with Chris?
>> Andrew Fildes
>> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/05/2008, at 6:47 AM, Chris Barker wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It's an excellent programme. The files were less than 1Mb yet they
>>> provided a full 3D view. Most impressive.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On 10 May 2008, at 20:47, Michael Collins wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> A couple of SketchUp files, courtesy my son William - ground floor
>>>> of a
>>>> small house, and a kitchen:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.ownvolition.com/SketchUp/PL%20house.skp>
>>>> <http://www.ownvolition.com/SketchUp/PL%20kitchen.skp>
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:25:15 -0700
> From: Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
>
> Andrew Fildes wrote:
>
>> What did you open a .skp with Chris?
>>
>>
> Aw, come on:
>
> What do you use to open a .skp file.
> With what do you open a .skp file.
>
> You know the drill. Opening a .skp file using Chris is bound to lead to
> tears.
>
> The answer, once properly posed, is that you open it with Google
> SketchUp. <http://sketchup.google.com/>
>
> Moose
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: [OT] Interior design
> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 09:29:19 +1000
>
>
> You have to have the program to open the files?
> How quaint.
> Andrew Fildes
> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On 11/05/2008, at 9:25 AM, Moose wrote:
>
>
>> Andrew Fildes wrote:
>>
>>> What did you open a .skp with Chris?
>>>
>>>
>> Aw, come on:
>>
>> What do you use to open a .skp file.
>> With what do you open a .skp file.
>>
>> You know the drill. Opening a .skp file using Chris is bound to
>> lead to
>> tears.
>>
>> The answer, once properly posed, is that you open it with Google
>> SketchUp. <http://sketchup.google.com/>
>>
>> Moose
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "jgettis81@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <jgettis81@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: How about those Red Wings an alternate discussion for those
> o
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:29:29 -0700
>
>
> I assume that we are talking about Red Wing boots the work shoes worn by my
> father. How is that for sports illiterate?
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <olympus@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 5/10/2008 7:33:21 PM
>> Subject: [OM] Re: How about those Red Wings an alternate discussion for
>>
> those out of their element with decorating :-)
>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: How about those Red Wings an alternate discussion for those
> o
> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 09:38:37 +1000
>
>
> Flashy and feeble things.
> Real blokes wear Blundstones.
> Andrew Fildes (who can achieve an obdurate position on just about
> anything).
> afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On 11/05/2008, at 9:29 AM, jgettis81@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>
>> I assume that we are talking about Red Wing boots the work shoes
>> worn by my
>> father. How is that for sports illiterate?
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Doug <doug9345@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: How about those Red Wings an alternate discussion for those
> o
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 20:27:04 -0400
>
>
> On Saturday, May 10, 2008 16:52, Gordon Ross wrote:
>
>> So how about those Red Wings?
>>
>>
>>
>
> There's a pair or red wing black birds that I believe are nesting down the
> road, put I can't get close enough to get a decent photo. -Doug
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 20:28:37 -0400
> From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [OM] Re: How about those Red Wings an alternate discussion for
>
> And to keep it semi-on-topic I assumed we must be talking about Red Wing
> light stands. If Dan S. is listening he was looking for a Red Wing
> Quick Stand long ago and I have just now found a substitute. The
> "Kwik-Stand" by C&R Enterprises in Rockwall, Texas. It can be bought at
> the manufacturer's site or at discount at Arlington Camera, Arlington,
> Texas. If you shoot weddings and other events or outdoor portraiture
> and don't have an assistant and you don't know what this is you should
> check it out.
> <http://www.arlingtoncamera.com/shop/index.php?p=catalog&mode=manufacturer&mid=140>
>
> Chuck Norcutt
>
> jgettis81@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>> I assume that we are talking about Red Wing boots the work shoes worn by my
>> father. How is that for sports illiterate?
>>
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Andrew Fildes <afildes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <olympus@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: 5/10/2008 7:33:21 PM
>>> Subject: [OM] Re: How about those Red Wings an alternate discussion for
>>>
>> those out of their element with decorating :-)
>>
>>
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