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Subject: [OM] Re: OT SUV/EPA Mileage
From: <cgeilfuss@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 07:07:36 -0800
Greetings All,
  I will stay away from the SUV debate for now; since all positions are 
intractable there is no point.
  I would however relay my experience with EPA Estimated Mileage results 
which in my opinion are worthless. Not only is it worthless for comparing 
vehicles (if mileage is important to you) but they are poor and inconsistant 
predictors of the mileage a car actually gets.
  For example, the last two cars I have owned were a '90 Honda Accord and 
a '98 VW Passat. Both 4-bangers and 5-speed manual. EPA stickers on both cars 
were similar: the Honda 23 city/28 highway; the VW 23 city/ 32 highway. 
Having always driven 4 cylinder cars I knew these numbers were low. In the 
real world mix of suburban street/interstate driving I do I average a 
consistant 32 mi/gal with both vehicles and a solid 36 mi/gal on long 
interstate trips.
  On two occasions I have rented vehicles for about a week: one (Chevy Monte 
Carlo 3.4 liter V6) while on a trip and another locally (Pontiac Bonneville 
3.8L V6). Both cars were fairly new but with about 6-10k miles (presumably 
broken in). The EPA sticker for each is similar at 20 city/ 30 highway which 
you will notice is very similar to the predicted mileage of my two 4 cylinder 
cars. Both were very nice cars that ran flawlessly but got no way near the 
advertised mileage. The Bonneville was driven locally and was driven the same 
local route as my regular car. For the week it averaged 23 mi/gal. The Monte 
Carlo spent most of its time on the highway but could only muster about 28 
mi/gal.
  Now I realize this is a small sampling, but in comparing real vs. EPA 
figures from other peoples cars (who are similarly obsessive/compulsive about 
these matters) a pattern emerges. Most imported cars (european/japanese) 
which are designed for high mileage because of high local fuel costs are 
consistantly under-rated by the EPA test. Domestic vehicles are consistantly 
over-estimated by the same test. What is it about the engineering of these 
vehiles that so obfusticates the predictions of the EPA test? Are they tested 
differently, are cars engineered specifically for the test? Any auto 
engineers on the OM List with some insight?

Charlie

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