Jim discovered a setting in Color Efex Pro called Remove Color Cast that
does a fantastic job! Thanks, Jim!!
Tina
On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Tina Manley <tmanley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Yes, that looks better.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tina
>
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Chuck Norcutt <
> chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Tina, I don't like Moose's corrections (maybe a first?).
>>
>> I have a much different view of the image. I don't think there's much of
>> a color correction problem... it is, after all, taken inside a darkened red
>> tent. But the camera captures more of the real color that our eyes/brain
>> manage to soften.
>>
>> I think the real problem is the young man seated in front of the open
>> doorway which is about 4 stops brighter than the interior. I can't do
>> Moose's overlays but I have included a link that shows Tina's original
>> photo and one with my corrections that include: Slightly reduced red
>> saturation to the whole image, slightly brightening the young man above his
>> knee, dehazing that part of him, a slight sharpening of his face and then
>> more dehazing on his hair.
>>
>> original <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId=20430>
>> my fixes <http://zone-10.com/tope2/main.php?g2_itemId=20432>
>>
>> Chuck Norcutt
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/15/2016 7:45 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Moose. I get what you are saying. Color does not move me the
>>> way
>>> B&W does and I'm sure that's obvious in my photos. I started out with
>>> B&W
>>> film and Kodachrome. I actually have a WhiBal which I use when I
>>> remember
>>> it. Otherwise, I try to find something in the frame that is supposed to
>>> be
>>> black or grey. That works a lot of the time. Circumstances like the red
>>> tent which casts a red light onto the black that I'm trying to use to
>>> balance are not always an easy fix. I don't want to neutralize the light
>>> that is influencing their lives. Sometimes I think I should just leave
>>> it
>>> as is. I usually like your corrections much better than anything I can
>>> do,
>>> but this time I don't. The faces are too orange - almost neon-like.
>>> Thanks for trying, though.
>>>
>>> Tina
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Moose <olymoose@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7/15/2016 10:00 AM, Tina Manley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> PESO:
>>>>>
>>>>> We were invited to lunch with a Qashqai family in the desert near
>>>>> Shiraz.
>>>>> This is the inside of their tent:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/image/163678790
>>>>>
>>>>> I took lots of photos in this terrible, awful light. The people are
>>>>> beautiful but you'd never know it in this light! I'll be working on
>>>>> these
>>>>> today and tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It's not difficult to correct, but probably requires PS skills you don't
>>>> have and don't particularly want to learn. <
>>>> http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/Manley/Marshla_and_Ehsan.htm>
>>>>
>>>> Separate layers for her face and skin, his face, their clothing and the
>>>> rest. All adjusted separately. Background by trying the color sampler on
>>>> various neutralish looking things. Skin tones cribbed from the image of
>>>> Azar, then adjusted differently for each. Clothing using PS Auto Color
>>>> and
>>>> adjusting Opacity.
>>>>
>>>> Probably not "right"; I wasn't there, but plausible.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions would be gratefully attempted!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Or maybe not. I've suggested before the use of a neutral reference in
>>>> any
>>>> unusual light. You haven't attempted it.
>>>>
>>>> A shot or two of one in this light, perhaps while waiting for the girls
>>>> to
>>>> get gussied up, and this would all be a doodle, correct the whole
>>>> series at
>>>> once, with more accurate color than anything done in post without a
>>>> reference.
>>>>
>>>> Consider Steve McCurry. I was gifted with his book Portraits. There's
>>>> some
>>>> good stuff in there, but not a patch on what you do. His are stiff,
>>>> cool,
>>>> and often staged looking- repetitive, too, after too many of them. Yours
>>>> are natural, warm and engaging, human, where his are mostly not.
>>>>
>>>> But look at his colors! I don't know what he is using; there are endless
>>>> tools, from simple to complex, but he's making the colors work for him
>>>> and
>>>> his subjects, not against them. He's probably thinking about light and
>>>> color long before he takes a single shot. I don't know if it's because
>>>> you
>>>> started out as a B&W photographer, and still sort of think of color as a
>>>> not so nice accessory, but you don't appear to really think about it
>>>> when
>>>> shooting.
>>>>
>>>> You are happy to spend many thousands of $ on gear, much more on travel
>>>> to
>>>> find subjects, and schlep around a lot of gear. Then you skip a simple
>>>> step
>>>> and end up with color problems. You can buy a neutral reference the
>>>> size of
>>>> a credit card for a couple of $ and carry it with you with no effort at
>>>> all. Is that as fancy, as effective as the more powerful, multicolor
>>>> references? Nah, but it would work miracles for your work. The 90%
>>>> solution
>>>> is a lot better than 0%.
>>>>
>>>> Not all of us see the same way, both physiologically and mentally. If
>>>> you
>>>> just don't notice color in the excitement of shooting, you could just
>>>> force
>>>> yourself to shoot a reference in each different place you go into with
>>>> camera. Soon, it would become a habit, and no effort at all.
>>>>
>>>> I happen to use a WhiBal, which is always in my wallet. If you don't
>>>> like
>>>> that, there are plenty of other sorts of reference cards, opal glass
>>>> like
>>>> "filters" that go over a lens for WB reference, light meters that read
>>>> color, and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Where it's allowed, I shoot lots of pics in museums. It is for me a
>>>> wonderful way to supplement my memory. But museum lighting is far from
>>>> neutral, usually quite warm. So I shoot the WhiBal in each area with
>>>> different light, and my pics show the true colors of the art.
>>>>
>>>> Try it!
>>>>
>>>> Colorfully Balanced Moose
>>>>
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