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Re: [OM] [OT] Two thirds of anti-virus users have infected PCs

Subject: Re: [OM] [OT] Two thirds of anti-virus users have infected PCs
From: Scott Gomez <sgomez.baja@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:17:35 -0700
I don't think anti-virus has ever worked as well as people think, Jez, and
that's nothing new. It's inherently reactive, so unable to defend
adequately against newly designed malware. It'll only keep out the script
kiddies.

On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Jez Cunningham <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> What concerns me is the idea that my trusted anti-virus tools are not
> finding all the malware.
> I regularly run other tools ad-hoc, but they never find anything either.
> And I don't have any anti-virus on my iPhone.
> Jez
>
> On 26 October 2014 17:06, Scott Gomez <sgomez.baja@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I'm suspicious of the general tone of that article, as Mr. Briere is
> > flogging the new network-based protection from the French company. That
> > said: There's no software or hardware that is going to protect end-users
> > willing to click on links they haven't checked, nor unwilling to
> implement
> > good passwords, different on each site on which they log in, etc. Its
> > possible to educate about those things, but a surprising number of people
> > are quite resistant to doing what they have to in order to be safer.
> > Coupled with the inherently poorer security model under which Windows was
> > designed, compared with Mac, Linux, and now Chrome OS, infection rates
> > remain high.
> >
> > Add to that the fact that Windows users are well-trained by the OS itself
> > to do exactly what they shouldn't: download things from all over the
> 'net.
> > The way in which device drivers and other necessary software are provided
> > virtually guarantees the situation is as it is. Given that environment,
> the
> > average person simply doesn't know enough systems administration, nor
> > enough about networking, to be able to adequately maintain and safeguard
> > their equipment.
> >
> > A large portion of the problem, I believe, is the idea that many people
> > have that they simply must use a Windows PC to be able to do what they
> > want. I'd say that at least 75% of those I know do NOT need a Windows (or
> > any other) desktop or laptop PC. As people who primarily use the web for
> > things like email, facebook, google+, twitter and pinterest, any device
> > which provides a web browser would be adequate. Even the sort of photo
> > editing they care to do can be done that way.
> >
> > While it's not a complete answer to the issues of malware, simply
> > encouraging those who don't need a PC to switch to something like an iOS
> or
> > Android tablet, or a Chromebook or Chromebox would solve much of the
> issue
> > of malware by vastly reducing the available attack surface. It would save
> > most people a good deal of money and aggravation, also.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Jez Cunningham <jez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It surprised me what % of mobiles have viruses...
> > >
> > > On Sunday, October 26, 2014, ChrisB <ftog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Use safer products, perhaps, Jez.  I was rather dismayed to note that
> > > > ChrisT was still using IE6.  I would guess that there are many who
> > still
> > > > use Outlook Express, another risk to the Internet society, as I
> > > understand
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > And use safer practices.  Start a voluntary team to help
> non-digi-savvy
> > > > people with their online habits: don’t click on links, but copy them
> to
> > > the
> > > > address bar in the browser, for instance.  My 80 year-old mother is
> > > pretty
> > > > good at this now.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > > On 26 Oct 14, at 07:09, Jez Cunningham <jez.cunningham@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> www.cable.co.uk/news/two-thirds-of-anti-virus-users-have-infected-pcs-700000179
> > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.cable.co.uk/news/two-thirds-of-anti-virus-users-have-infected-pcs-700000179
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Scary thought - but what can WE do about it?
> > > >
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