My car is a Lexus IS350C. We get either 10 or 15 percent alcohol. There is
an automatic 30% loss with pure alcohol, less of course in blends. Alcohol
just doesn't have the BTU's that gasoline does. What we get without is
dependent on where purchased. About a year ago, I drove to Oklahoma, and
noted in barely rural areas outside Tulsa, there were many stations, mostly
independent convenience stores, with a 4x8 sheet of plywood with the notice
"no alcohol" spray painted on it.
In any event, the whole business of US energy independence is no longer
valid. Although we import oil, we export more from the Wyoming and North
Dakota fields. Oil, like anything else, follows the money. Our oil from
fracking in Wyoming and ND goes by rail to the coasts, and by ship to Japan,
China and Europe, 'cause they pay more than domestic refineries.
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Geilfuss
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:34 PM
To: Olympus Camera Discussion
Subject: Re: [OM] Redneck
That's interesting , Bill. Based on the size of my tank, 15 US gal., the
MPG penalty is only 1 mpg. I have no idea why yours is three times more.
The energy content should be the same unless they are slipping you more
ethanol than they claim. What type of vehicle is it? In my area all grades
have 10% etoh, but a few stations sell 0% etoh premium fuel (which I use in
my lawn equipment). No other grade is available without etoh.
Charlie
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> In my car, E10 gives me about a three MPG penalty, about 45 miles per
> tank.
> There is no price difference here, and there are some places that sell
> only
> gas without ethanol. It is equally hard to find premium without it, but in
> that case I think it gives the octane boost.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Geilfuss
> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:17 PM
> To: Olympus Camera Discussion
> Subject: Re: [OM] Redneck
>
> The MPG penalty is pretty minimal, Bill, at least with E10. I've tried
> it
> a couple of times with my Honda, E10, 87 octane vs E0, 93 octane, and the
> difference per tankful is about 10-15 miles per tank. As for alleged price
> advantage of E10, who knows? E0, 87 octane is not available anywhere to
> compare.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Therefore, everybody on the east coast has a negative view of ethanol
> > just because they've been lied to.
> > No, it's because they don't like the MPG penalty, with no offset in
> price.
> > And anyway, why do it? America is now a net petroleum exporting country.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Norton
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:36 AM
> > To: Olympus Camera Discussion
> > Subject: Re: [OM] Redneck
> >
> > > Now let's get started on the myth of ETHANOL, and who is raking it
> in...
> > > Old Rick - currently replacing fuel lines destroyed by that stuff!
> >
> > The Iowa Corn Cartel.
> >
> > /Rant On
> >
> > It's probably the other crud they put in the fuel these days. All
> > fuels have solvents added now. If you drive very little, Ethanol can
> > mess up some stuff, but I almost always use it and have never ever had
> > a fuel line or fuel filter problem. I take my vehicles up to the
> > 150,000-200,000 mile category too.
> >
> > Regardless, let's not get into the lie about ethanol being energy
> > negative. It's entirely not true and is a lie that originated from the
> > oil industry itself during the methanol/ethanol wars. It's been
> > perpuated by the pointy-headed intellectuals at the ivy league
> > colleges who have never even seen a combine in their lives and think
> > that everybody west of the Hudson River are hayseed rednecks. If these
> > pointy-headed intellectuals would actually USE their brains instead of
> > sticking to a party-line mantra, they'd recognize the lie. But they
> > won't, and even if they did, they wouldn't admit it because peer
> > review is by other idiots like them. Meanwhile, the talking heads on
> > television won't even do basic research to find out that it's a lie.
> > Therefore, everybody on the east coast has a negative view of ethanol
> > just because they've been lied to.
> >
> > Worst of all, we keep electing presidents that have law degrees from
> > Yale/Harvard, being taught by these idiot pointy-headed intellectuals.
> >
> > /Rant Off
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ken Norton
> > ken@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > http://www.zone-10.com
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