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Re: [OM] Chalk Lake B&W again

Subject: Re: [OM] Chalk Lake B&W again
From: Chuck Norcutt <chucknorcutt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:22:32 -0500
I'd suggest simply getting rid of the white altogether.  Use only gray 
in the entire frame.  Or, replacing the white with gray in the proposed 
replacement might look good making a gray/black/gray frame.

Chuck Norcutt

On 2/25/2011 12:32 AM, Moose wrote:
> On 2/18/2011 4:26 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>> I like both interpretations but think the biggest and most welcome
>> change was elimination of the bright white surround on the Zone-10
>> display.  That was a far bigger distraction than the "too bright" lower
>> left corner.
>
> On 2/18/2011 9:41 AM, Ken Norton wrote:
>> . . .
>>
>> AS to the bright white surround on the Zone-10 images. That is the
>> style for the site which was developed specifically for consistency
>> and the way it works with any picture, regardless of brightness. If I
>> have an overly black image, there is no border and the image just
>> disappears into the background in some creepy freakshow kinda way.
>> (floating heads) But the white border also does something else which
>> is critical for B&W photographs. It helps define the brightness range
>> or boundary of the image itself. Without this anchoring
>> point-of-reference, the image can appear too light, too dark, too
>> muddy or too edgy. This is why most B&W pictures NEED a border. As B&W
>> is "abstract" by its very nature, you have to define how the image is
>> to be visually interpreted.
>
> On 2/18/2011 10:05 AM, Chuck Norcutt wrote:
>> Nevertheless, that shot needs a black border.
>
> I rather agree with both of you. The huge, white border against black is too 
> much for my eyes, too, with many images.
> Yet clear separation, especially for tonally subtle B&W like this, is 
> necessary.
>
> How about something more 
> sophisticated?<http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/AG/Footbridge-trees_border.htm>
>
> I'm not saying this is necessarily the answer, (and not quite symmetrical) 
> but perhaps it might point in the direction
> of one. 'Twere me, I'd probably also take a look at a slightly thinner white 
> part of the frame.
>
> I really do think the image is easier to really "see" this way.
>
> Moose in the Middle
>
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