Allen:
May I echo your statement "Please quit!" Courtesy is a two-way affair. You have
asked questions on this list and members have responded courteously and wisely,
offering you the same advice that they would offer any new member who seemed to
profess to know as little as you do about Olympus and Olympus related
equipment. They have given you advice in broad terms because you have failed to
adequately express what your plans are for said equipment. You have been
extremely vague as to your requirements and then complained because we have not
been able to read your mind or imagine your future photographic projects. For
crying out loud. We don't even know what we will be photographing in the
future. How can we know what you will decide to undertake?
The only time I have seen a member respond negatively is when you have exploded
with a tirade like the one below or become petulant when someone questioned the
wisdom of purchasing what appears to be (from our point of view) superfluous
equipment. Your prior communications conveyed the idea that money was an issue
for you, that is, that you had a limited budget to spend on photographic
equipment. Therefore member suggestions have attempted to take that into
consideration -- on your behalf. None of us care how much you spend or what you
buy. As you said, that is your affair. But, if you don't want our opinions
don't ask for them. If you do ask for them, then take them as wise suggestions
from (not all, but many) list members who happen to know a lot more about it
than you do and then do what ever you please.
Please don't insult members just because you don't like their answers. If you
don't agree, that's fine. We aren't trying to compel you to do anything or
prohibit you from buying anything. If you are reading these suggestions that
way, something is very wrong with your perception. This is an extremely
courteous and tolerant group. Just think of the divergent opinions that have
been expressed on a multitude of subjects and how no one seems to become
outraged at someone else's opinion. The list mums (or other wiser heads) step
in if anything seems to head in that direction.
Your responses makes me wonder if what you call "mean" about the list you came
from is simply the result of being on a list less tolerant than this one to
behavior such as you have recently exhibited. BTW -- If you want to consider
this a "mean-spirited" remark, I paraphrase one of your "shouts" (all capital
letters) below, "This is my opinion, not yours."
The only complaints and grumblings that have occurred in the correspondence
between you and list members have come from you, Allen. The restraint shown in
not blasting you out of the saddle when you get on your high horse has
demonstrated that our members are exactly what their peers believe them to be
-- courteous, tolerant, patient with "newbies," kind and very knowledgeable
about an extremely wide range of subjects. What do your peers say about you?
You are welcome on this list, but if you think the members are going to conform
to your expectations or ideas all the time, you are very much mistaken. That is
not what it is about. It is about having and sharing differing opinions on
whatever topic arises. Note that word, "differing?"
It has been a very long time since we have had a list member who has been as
overly sensitive and petulant as you have shown yourself to be on this list.
One wonders what triggers such behavior(s).
Whatever the cause, restraining yourself from attacking list members because of
your disagreement and/or disappointment with their answers to your questions
seems to me to be a most reasonable course of action.
How about treating us with the respect that you have been extended and enjoy a
long, pleasant and fruitful relationship with some very nice list members?
(Curmudgeons included.)
Regards,
Robert
(Who believes that not saying what needs to be said is not a virtue.)
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Coltrin <hjlantern@xxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 15:24
Subject: [OM] PLEASE QUIT!!!!
To: olympus@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: olympusadmin@xxxxxxxxxx
>
> You all just can't learn to quit kicking that dead horse do you!?
>
> I'll clarify some things about this list, although I doubt it
> wil make any
> difference as everyone just wants to bitch, piss, and moan about
> a list of
> equipment you have no financial interest in. And I believe none
> of you have
> made one positive remark this whole time!
>
> I will do this one more time although I don't believe it will
> make any
> difference at all as you all are having a nice pat on the back
> in showing
> just how wrong this is and what you would do differently and oh
> so much
> better.
>
> NOW READ MY LIPS AND SHUT UP LONG ENOUGH TO LISTEN OPENLY. Thiw
> is after all
> my list, my money, my everything and NOT YOURS!!
>
> This is what I have purchased for digital photography ONLY.
>
> DIGITAL BODIES/LENSES
>
> Olympus Evolt E-500
> 35mm Macro Olympus
> 14-45mm Olympus
> 40-150mm Olympus
> 50-200mm Olympus
>
> This is what I have for OM MF lenses ONLY!!
>
> Olympus Evolt E-330
> ( I bought this body solely for OM MF lenses. NOT for digital lenses.)
>
> 60-300 f/3.8-5.4 Tamron
> 300mm f/4.5 Olympus
> 90mm f/2.5 macro Tamron
> 80-200mm f/2.8 Tamron
>
> My next purhase.
>
> 350/700MM TAMRON f4.5 Telephoto Canon Nikon Pentax +++ I
> WILL HAVE THIS ONE
>
> This is a list of what I want ONLY FOR THE E-330! (since I
> bought this body
> for this)
>
> OLYMPUS 0M FIT 2x TELECONVERTER
> Tamron SP 400mm f4
> Tamron SP 300mm f2.8
> Tamron SP 180mm f2.5
> Tamron SP 90mm f2.5
> Tamron SP 17mm f3.5
> Tamron SP 60-300mm
>
> The other list was a wish list of "if I had this lens I wonder
> what it would
> be like.
>
> BOTTON LINE!!! Can you all say anything positive about this and
> not just "I
> would never do this" or "that would be dumb because it overlaps
> with your
> digital lenses."
>
> I was told to come to this group by one member because you all
> have such a
> vast base of knowledge and experience. I was told by another
> member that you
> all would not be mean in your help and direction. You've failed
> on both
> fronts! You can't even step up to the challenge of "I have a
> digital camera
> that I bought soley to handle "legacy lenses" and what would be
> the items
> lenses I would get to give me the best coverage from macro to
> infinity in
> one brand so I don't have to buy an adaptor for every lense I own?"
>
> You don't get the privledge of saying that my desire to keep the
> 2 bodies
> seperate as not really what I intend to do (read "you're lying
> to us"). You
> need to stay within a single maker of lenses, you can't make
> dirogatory or
> inflamatory statements. You can only offer POSITIVE input or "I
> would do
> this task in this direction" with POSITIVE reasons and not the
> fallback
> remark of "that lens you chose is trash, mine is better." Give
> me POSITIVE
> reasons why you would go in that direction GOVERNED BY THE
> CRITERIA ABOVE!
>
> If I only hear silence, or complaints, or grumbling than you all
> are not
> what your piers believed you to be.
>
> Allen
>
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