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Subject: Re: The Sleaze Factor [was:FRAUD ALERT! (was: [OM] Macro kit...)]
From: Alain Duquet <alain.duquet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:59:37 -0500
My english is not good and I ask you an effort.
What is the problem here? The messenger?
I buy a lens from a guy who was selling by the local newspaper (not a secret deal for stolen equipment)
macro equipment at a very very nice price for rare pieces.
I dont need this equipment or have time to make this deal myself.
I think the list members will be happy to have a chance to buy
and send a message to the list.

<I know a guy who want to sell rapidly a nice macro kit in very very good
<condition.
<All for 500$US
<Anyone interested? I can give you the contact.

I received so many answers that I choose to respond to all the list members
with a list of MACRO EQUIPMENT still available at this moment and the phone number of that guy.
I hope peoples who are interested by this equipment at this moment
will remember they are happy to know this information.

After that...my position was :
Call the guy yourself, take information you need and make an offer (sure, the price will raise) if YOU are satisfied with.
I dont know which agreements are made by phone calls or private emails.
I think Cloutier closed this "auction" because he dont look for big bucks later,
he look for money now to buy other equipment rapidly. CQFD

I was not the seller and dont have control on Cloutier.

DONT KILL THE FACTOR (messenger?)

and remember that, often, we missed a great deal because those opportunities
ask for very quick decisions with lack of information.

Regards all

Alain Duquet
 
 
 

gma a écrit:

One more voice.

I also responded to Mr Clouseau, via e-mail on Sat 10/17.  I was
offering
to negotiate price and send a postal MO as soon as we agreed on $$  I
heard nothing
from him until Mon when he simply e-mailed that it was sold.

Couple thoughts:  I began to wonder about this deal when the second
e-mail from Alain came in
on Sat morning (copied below for reference).  I don't have the first
e-mail here, but I remember
that a camera was included in the first list.  It is absent here.  Also
first msg said he wants
to sell right away for $500.  This one says make offer by Wed.
Another question: Does Remi have a clue what this stuff is really
worth?  The first 3 items
alone are probably worth $500.  Why was he selling so cheaply?  As
someone said "If it seems
too good to be true ..."
Lastly, if Remi was "giggling with glee" over his good fortune at having
folks battle over his
gear for $700, that can only mean he ain't the brightest bulb in the
closet, cause he could've
put the stuff on ebay and gotten, I'd guess, closer to $1500 for them
individually. Also, he
never got back to me for my price. I'd have gone $1000 - hear that,
monsewer Remi?
The other possibility is that the gear is, shall we say, a bit too hot
for the Canadian winter?

George

PS: Alain, I would invite you to NOT post any more FS messages to the
list.

PPS: I feel a bit apprehensive for whoever did purchase these items.

************************************************************************************************

Hi all

My email is at office and I have post the first email to the list about
this subjet (macro kit) Friday after the job.
I quit the office thinking I will take my mail only monday...
but I think it's not cool for the list member who have interest in macro
and
this deal.
Personnal call at home and a little more reflexion suggest to me
that maybe this deal will close before monday.
So, I'm back to my office (in the week-end, hum...) where the phone
number of the seller is and
contact him to have more details and his email for the member of the
list
and I see the excitement I caused on the list.

Please contact Remi Cloutier for the exact description of the equipment
and to make your offer.

Remi ask 500$ US and he want to sell all in one block.
The buyer pay the post and make a postal money order.

Make your offer before Wednesday night to

Remi Cloutier (remi.cloutier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) office email (he will be at
the office only Monday).
or contact him at
home 418-824-5368 in Quebec city Canada
or office 418-646-6792

The exact list of this macro kit and more is :

Zuiko 38 automacro  f2.8 ( great shape but coating is not perfect)
Zuiko auto bellows (seems very good)
slide copier
Zuiko 135 automacro f4.5, specific lens hood (excellent)
Zuiko telescopic auto-tube (excellent)
winder 2
T-32 + extention flash connector
Zuiko 35-70 f3.5-4.5
E. Zuiko 135 f 3.5
Tamron 24  f2.5, olympus mount
screens 1-1, 1-6,1-7,1-8,1-12
shoe 4
Pentax varimagni finder (1 and 2X)
and little other things.

Good luck

Alain Duquet
 

************************************************************************************************

  Robert Bund wrote:
>
> Well........another voice heard from! - me!
>
> Before recounting the sordid details (very few, really) of my own
> involvement with our Mr. Cloutier, I'd like to comment on Doris'
> observations:
>
> *- DORIS FANG -* wrote:
> [snip]
>  I want the best of vibes
> > in my photo equipment. Nothing less will do.
>
> Now, who could argue with that sentiment?
>
> >   Second, the part about suing the person who bought the stuff seems
> > repulsive to me. How is it their fault ? Why would you inflict legal
> > BS upon them and ruin their enjoyment of the things they just bought?
> > Unbelievable.
>
> Couldn't agree more.  Regardless of whether Jan Steinman's lawyer could
> find some type of legal grounds on which to base a suit against the
> other buyer (who could easily have been me, by the way), this society is
> entirely too litigious - it's a shame, really.
>
> >   Maybe I'm too naive, and this is how everything works nowadays in this
> > world, but not for me. The few people I have dealt with on this list were
> > truthful, honest and acted like my friends, not fiduciary barracudas.
>
> Likewise.
>
> > Their good will translates into good feelings from using the stuff.
> >   Maybe the world doesn't end with bangs, whimpers or men shooting each
> > other in the streets, but with ill-will, anger, and threats in a court of
> > law. This has been a very sad thing to see here.  Maybe I should watch
> > Judge Judy more often...It's only camera stuff, Jan. Be happy.
>
> Excellent advice - eccept the Judge Judy part.
>
> >
> >                                  *= Doris Fang =*
> ________________________________________________________________________
> [Excerpts of Jan Steinman's post & my involvement]:
>
> {On Saturday, October 17, Alain Duquet posted to this list on behalf of
> REMI
> CLOUTIER of Quebec with a list of Olympus macro gear for sale, with an
> asking price of $500.
>
> On Sunday morning, the 18th, I called Mr. Cloutier, and discovered that
> it
> was really a private auction, and he already had been offered $550.}
>
> I'd have to look at the phone records to be certain, but I think I had
> already spoken to "Our Mr. Cloutier" by that time.  To make a long story
> short, I had told him that I was willing to buy the equipment at the
> $500 asking price - to which, he said that he had already been offered
> $500 and wanted more.  At that point, I was beginning to suspect "The
> Sleaze Factor" but I gave him the benefit of the doubt by assuming that
> the communication between him and Alain Duquet was imprecise.  I told
> him that I would pay $550 if that's what it would take.  Again, to
> condense the conversation, we agreed to speak again on Monday evening
> and that HE WOULD MAKE NO DEAL IN THE INTERIM.
>
> {I said
> that I was going on a business trip on Monday, and would not be able to
> make further bids, and asked him how much he would take to close the
> deal
> on the spot. He mentioned that someone might be willing to pay him $600,
> so
> I offered him $650 to close the auction on the spot. He asked if he
> could
> have a couple hours to think about it.
>
> I called back at 1700 Quebec time, and he said he now had an offer of
> $675,
> and I said I would go $700, but only if he would agree to the sale on
> the
> spot, since I was going away. He said he "liked my offer very much" and
> agreed to accept my offer.}
> [snip]
>
> What I don't understand at this point is why Jan Steinman continued to
> deal with this character - "Our Mr. Cloutier".
>
> I spoke to "Our Mr. Cloutier" on Monday, not knowing the degree to which
> he had already revealed himself as belonging to the "Ultimate Sleaze
> Club".  He explained that he would not be able to honor our agreement to
> speak on Monday night - prior to his finalizing any deals.  He told me
> that the equipment had been sold - for $700, that is unless I was
> willing to "up the ante" in a significant way.  At this point, I would
> say that he was "giggling with glee" at his good fortune.  Needless to
> say, "Our Mr. Cloutier's Sleaze Factor" had now been fully revealed and
> I passed.  By the way, I'm not at all surprised that he ultimately went
> with some other buyer, thereby reneging on his deal with Jan Steinman.
> That is the nature of "The Sleaze Factor" - and at first detecting it,
> anyone who wants to enjoy life (as I think Doris might say - please
> excuse the presumptuousness, Doris), should turn and "walk away".
>
> Regards,
> -Bob-
>
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